[Politics ON] Yeo, "President Yoon's Leave" workshop...Hey, I'm going to impeach you for rebellion.
■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim, Anchor Lee Ha-rin
■ Starring: Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, former lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea Shin Hyun-young
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[Anchor]
YTN News Special Report is continuing. The emergency decree declared by President Yoon Suk Yeol was lifted in six hours. As you just heard, the political and social aftermath is raging. The six opposition parties, which are demanding the president's resignation and resignation, have just submitted a bill to impeach Yoon Suk Yeol's president to the National Assembly.
The opposition party said it will report the impeachment bill to the National Assembly tomorrow morning and start voting as early as the day after tomorrow at the latest. The impeachment bill was joined by all 191 people except 108 members of the People's Power and the National Assembly speaker.
The decision of the People's Power lawmakers is very important because two-thirds of the lawmakers must approve the presidential impeachment bill in order to pass the National Assembly. Let's look at the aftermath of the declaration and lifting of the emergency martial law. Let's analyze the aftermath of the emergency martial law declaration with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and former lawmaker Shin Hyun-young of the Democratic Party of Korea. Welcome, two of you.
The political situation is facing a major turning point. The aftermath of the emergency martial law continues. Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, how did you see the process of declaring and lifting emergency martial law yesterday as a legal professional?
[Yeo Sang-won] I don't know if you know it's our buma crisis before it was declared ∀, but it reached 10.2679, and then 5.18 as well. So even if martial law was declared because of the intensification of protests, of course, it was all wrong in the New Military Tribunal later, but even so, I thought that emergency martial law could be declared. But this time, the society is so peaceful.
Of course, the National Assembly was noisy politically, and the president was impeached because the issue surrounding him and Kim Gun-hee was the independent counsel, but it was a political issue and a problem to be solved by the National Assembly socially, and of course, there were weekend rallies, but it was a peaceful rally. Wasn't it such a unstable situation that the police couldn't control the assembly and that the military had to step up? When martial law was suddenly declared there, I thought I was joking at first, so I told him not to play, and when I turned on the news, it was absurd that martial law was declared in the middle of the night, right? That's how I felt.
[Anchor]
Do you think Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of emergency martial law is a misjudgment, lawyer Yeo Sang-won?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I see legal and political things separately, but I'm a lawyer. Legally, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol will have something to say. But politically, it was a really wrong judgment. I think it is a measure that should not have been taken as a president, regardless of the law, to try to solve his political problems with the strictest measure stipulated by our Constitution, emergency martial law.
[Anchor]
Legally, it should be considered, but politically, it was clearly the wrong decision. The opposition party submitted the impeachment bill to the National Assembly. We'll be voting soon. Is it as early as the day after tomorrow? It's possible to vote the day after tomorrow.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
First of all, the impeachment motion was proposed, then reported to the plenary session and then voted on within 72 hours, and such a quick response is needed. Because the current political situation is quite a crisis, and the desperate belief that the president does not know what kind of threatening security crisis he will cause in the Republic of Korea has united the six parties.
[Anchor]
The opposition party is calling for the resignation of the opposition party, and the office should be suspended through impeachment before the resignation of the opposition party, right?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
is correct. It's the best white. As President Yoon Suk Yeol showed a significant threat to the Republic of Korea under the current circumstances yesterday, and the president's bare face was revealed in a way that rather undermines democracy, the people may feel that it is the last service to do for the Republic of Korea to clean up and come down quickly.
[Anchor]
Rep. Shin Hyun-young heard the news yesterday while on YTN, right?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
Yes, in fact, it was a shocking situation. I was very curious about what the president would say on an ambitious night live, but it was so shocking that I forgot what to say and how all the performers should interpret and accept it. And when emergency martial law is invoked, the media and various political controls are eventually imposed, but there is even anxiety about whether it is safe for us to go home every day. So it was a very intimidating situation for the people. And the shock has not subsided to this day.
[Anchor]
They analyzed that it was so shocking. Then why do you think it was such a shocking declaration of emergency martial law?
[Yeo Sangwon]
In my opinion, what kind of political dead end is President Yoon Suk Yeol in right now? Wouldn't it have been too hard to make a rational judgment? Of course, he may have caused it himself, but President Yoon Suk Yeol said various reasons yesterday while talking about martial law. Judging from the fact that they talked about impeachment, special prosecutors, impeachment of the auditor, and impeachment of prosecutors. And Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor is coming soon. In my opinion, I don't think there was any compromise with CEO Han Dong-hoon on that part.
Because it can be seen that CEO Han Dong-hoon is illegal as soon as martial law is declared and should be lifted immediately, and from the fact that he said so, CEO Han Dong-hoon is not on our side anymore. Especially regarding Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor. There is no more way to do it here. Because the reconsideration is on the 10th. If Kim Gun-hee passes the independent counsel, this is truly an intolerable situation for President Yoon Suk Yeol. The last player, this one, is wrong, but I think it came out like that. Aren't we running out of time right now for impeachment?
In this regard, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of martial law yesterday is mixed with emotion. Not just on the legal front. However, we should be careful in impeaching a country's president whether he did it right or wrong. It is not right for even the National Assembly to respond emotionally. In particular, as I said earlier, it was a political measure to the point of being declared dead, but legally, this is my personal view. Clearly it could be a problematic impeachment. Then, it's something that the people can understand more carefully. The people are also excited right now. He was so emotional that he called for Yoon Suk Yeol's resignation. However, I hope politicians respond calmly even if the public gets excited. I also think that I am responding too emotionally because I am trapped in such hatred of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol.
[Anchor]
With both the ruling and opposition parties holding emergency parliamentary elections, calls for the president's defection came out within the people's power, and the Democratic Party of Korea took out a card to impeach the president. First, let's listen to the voices of representative Han Dong-hoon and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho.
I heard the interview of representative Han Dong-hoon, and he demanded the resignation of the cabinet and the punishment of those responsible, such as the dismissal of the defense minister. And he also demanded the president's defection, but he hasn't come to a conclusion yet. The opposition party is trying to charge it with rebellion and is talking about impeachment. When I asked him to tell me what he thought of the ruling party, he said he would decide on this through a general meeting. Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, how did you hear Han Dong-hoon's three demands?
[Yeo Sangwon]
First and second, didn't Chairman Han Dong-hoon also say that opinions were generally gathered in that direction within the party? Cabinet resignation, punishment of those responsible. I don't think there's a big opinion on that. Demand for defection is the most important thing now, but in my opinion, if you don't leave the party, can you leave the party from the power of the people? the most powerful However, even though he is the president, he should not go all the way to the party, and in my opinion, representative Han Dong-hoon's political power should be exercised here.
Only by negotiating with the president or allowing him to leave the party on his own, I think Yoon Suk Yeol can secure the opposition of the People's Power lawmakers in the impeachment vote, otherwise it will be difficult to act here when the People's Power lawmakers are listening to the people's and citizens' outcry. I'll go to the Constitutional Court later, but if it's voted on. Apart from that, if the National Assembly itself needs the support of members of the People's Power on this part, President Yoon Suk Yeol's defection on his own will hurt him so much that he may recover to some extent, but he will recover, and it would be better for President Yoon Suk Yeol to defect on his own in order to be under the leadership of Representative Han Dong-hoon, who can receive support from the people.
[Anchor]
I see. Rep. Shin Hyun-young, what did you think of Han Dong-hoon's three demands?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think Han Dong-hoon's leadership, which has not been able to accomplish three things now, is really problematic. Now, the people are not interested in whether President Yoon Suk Yeol has a party of people's power or not. He's already died politically. If so, public support will inevitably decline at a time when it is really difficult to serve as president. How would you manage state administration? In that regard, the power of the people should also have a strong message in this area at the level of the public, but the demand for defection has not yet been resolved at the general meeting of the lawmakers. I think these things are very disappointing.
[Anchor]
What decisions do you think we should make from the power of the people?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
In fact, if impeachment is proposed now, we will go with impeachment in this regard clearly from the power of the people. Or, in this regard, we are responsible for the stern punishment, and even in the power of the people, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho was not allowed to participate in the lifting of emergency martial law due to such a notice yesterday. Then, even though he is in a position where he has to resign with responsibility, he is still shamelessly giving such a briefing without recognizing the seriousness of the people's power. I think it's really frustrating.
In that sense, we should make a strong voice centered on close circles and no longer think about our own political life, but make a proper voice from the public's point of view on rebuilding the democracy of the Republic of Korea, the authority of the president, and how far we can recover. Otherwise, I also feel a great sense of incompatibility that the power of the people will not be able to continue to exist in conservative politics in the future.
[Anchor]
The opposition party is pressuring the people to approve the impeachment motion because it has been proposed. What kind of decision do you think representative Han Dong-hoon will make for the power of the people?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I still remember that impeachment changed the regime and the Moon Jae In administration came into existence in 2017. But at that time, former President Park Geun Hye was called an economic community, so I don't know what it's called legally, but corruption and the state of affairs were played around by one person, and the most important thing in this impeachment is how the impeachment motion will be structured.The most important thing right now is the declaration of emergency martial law. So you'll be holding an illegal declaration of emergency martial law. In my view, as I said earlier, it was a very unjust declaration of emergency martial law politically, but it needs to be considered legally. What's wrong with this now is that the requirement for declaring emergency martial law is when it is necessary to maintain order with the military in wartime, in case of an incident or equivalent national emergency.
But I told you earlier. Right now, our country is in a very calm state and only the political circles are noisy. Whether this is an emergency equivalent to wartime in the Constitution or martial law law. In this regard, of course, President Yoon Suk Yeol has the intention of these pro-North Korean forces to overthrow the state. I said the reason for the declaration of emergency martial law to the effect that I felt a sense of crisis here.
[Anchor]
In conclusion, do you think the power of the people is unlikely to agree?
[Yeo Sangwon]
It is legal, and politically, and in this case, will the powerful lawmakers of the people allow an unusual change in the government if the opposition party's leading candidate is elected early? Of course, you'll be criticized a lot. If you don't agree to this impeachment this time. However, lawmakers of the People's Power may have thoughts about the collapse of conservatives after sympathizing with it as in the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye.
[Anchor]
In the opposition party, all of the procedures for declaring emergency martial law were in violation of the Constitution. Accordingly, he committed the crimes of civil rebellion under Article 87 of the Criminal Code and military rebellion under the Military Criminal Code. That's what I'm claiming. How do you see it, as a legal professional?
[Yeo Sangwon]
First of all, I think it's hard to be a civil war. What is a civil war? I don't know if you think of former lawmaker Lee Seok-ki's ruling, but in order to become a civil war, it is a civil war that seeks to abolish the state agencies, the National Assembly, the presidency, or the judiciary set in our Constitution and go to some kind of dictatorial side. And did you say it was a rebellion? In the case of military rebellion, this enters the military rebellion when it is done by force without constitutional or legal means. In my view, it was politically inappropriate to say that I was very politically inappropriate, but it was a constitutional measure.
Later, whether it was legal or constitutional, this will be discussed later when the court issues it, but first of all, the fact that President Yoon Suk Yeol took measures under the Constitution is fair power in our administrative actions. As an administrative act, we accept it as an act of governance, but later the court or the prosecution will take issue with it. It is difficult to say that it is a civil war or rebellion in itself.
[Anchor]
Rep. Shin pointed out Han's leadership earlier on whether to ask the president to leave the party, and Yoo Young-ha, a close aide to former President Park Geun Hye. Referring to the case of impeachment of President Park Geun Hye, the demand for defection needs to be considered in order to reinvent the government. What do you predict?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
It seems that they are using political tactics inside to survive typical self-politics. Senator Yoo Young-ha, of course, I have a painful experience during the Park Geun Hye presidency, but many people are saying that the current situation is actually more serious than the Park Geun Hye presidency. In that sense, it is difficult to take back the next administration with impeachment, and that's why the old politics, which say we shouldn't go into impeachment now with political advantages, is still a big voice in the people's power and is holding back the politics of Han Dong-hoon, who is really trying to reform and change, so we should cut it off.
Only then will CEO Han Dong-hoon be able to stand proudly in front of the Korean people as the next presidential candidate. I think the power of the people is hopeless in the future if they say that they are still held back and still surrounded by pro-Yoon and cannot speak out properly even in this serious situation of the president. In this regard, in response to more innovative voices, didn't the People's Power lawmakers clearly vote yesterday to lift the emergency martial law even though 18 people still did? Such people should lead the political situation more. In that sense, I think the role of the ruling party is very important.
[Anchor]
We graphically showed you the list of lawmakers in favor of lifting martial law. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party of Korea raised its voice that it would impeach President Yoon unless he voluntarily resigned. Following Lee Jae-myung, we will continue our conversation by listening to the voice of Park Chan-dae, the floor leader.
[Anchor]
Following President Yoon Suk Yeol's call for resignation and resignation, the impeachment bill has now been proposed. A vote will take place as early as the day after tomorrow. However, 18 ruling party lawmakers voted in favor of the bill when the National Assembly passed the bill to lift the emergency martial law. There are 18 names coming out. If eight out of 18 people approve the impeachment motion, it will be passed and the president will be suspended from office. The biggest interest now is what the people's power will decide.
In this regard, Han Dong-hoon, the representative of People's Power, told a media outlet that he has never discussed impeachment with the Democratic Party of Korea. Representative Shin Hyun-young said earlier that representative Han Dong-hoon should make a decision. Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, what kind of decision do you think CEO Han Dong-hoon will make in the end?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I understand the 18 people who voted for it earlier. Because as you said earlier, the National Assembly is a political institution, not an institution that enforces laws. There, 18 people agreed because they knew martial law was very politically unjust, so of course, they would have more than 150 seats, but I think impeachment is another matter.
President Trump has also been impeached twice and all of them were rejected. Isn't it really the legal way to expel the nation's supreme leader selected by the people? It means that we need to be cautious and strict about this. So, even if this part is not representative Han Dong-hoon, since representative Han Dong-hoon is not a member of the parliament, he does not have the right to vote, but isn't it a matter of closeness? Even if close lawmakers agreed on the lifting of martial law, I think it would be difficult to agree on impeachment.
[Anchor]
In a media interview today, a key member of the close circle said that the ruling party should judge the measures according to the ruling party, but the previous day, President Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of martial law should not be unearned for Lee Jae-myung. Therefore, it is unclear whether or not the ruling party lawmakers who ultimately voted for martial law will approve the impeachment motion.
The Democratic Party has distanced itself from impeachment, unlike the Cho Kuk Innovation Party. However, it is actively coming out from early this morning. What is the atmosphere in the party now?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
We're quite out of shock, but now we're calmly discussing what to do as a first party to rebuild democracy after the lifting of the emergency rule. Regarding impeachment, in the past, in candlelight vigils, wasn't the impeachment of the Park Geun Hye regime carried out in such a way that politicians joined together when citizens eventually told them to step forward and step down first?
Now, many citizens who were surprised yesterday will take to the streets. There is a possibility that the opposition parties will move together to represent it. That's why I think we will now make efforts to recreate the regime with the people. This is not as if representative Lee Jae-myung is a means to become president, but I think we should communicate with the people while communicating about what is best we can do now in order for democracy of the Republic of Korea to be upright and politics to be established properly.
[Anchor]
If the vote is held the day after tomorrow and passed, the National Assembly's impeachment opinion will be submitted. Then we move on to the Constitutional Court. We have to hold an impeachment trial in the Constitutional Court, and more than 7 judges must be present, but there are 6 judges, right? What's going to happen?
[Yeo Sangwon]
Opposition recommendation, ruling party recommendation, president recommendation. So, if the impeachment bill is passed in the Democratic Party of Korea, it will probably speed up the selection of constitutional judges. Otherwise, impeachment itself cannot be done under the six-member system. So I feel like I'm going to speed up.
[Anchor]
It will speed up. First of all, the possibility of appointing a vacant constitutional judge has increased. I also pointed out the possibility when I moved on to the Constitutional Court. In the midst of this, representative Lee Jae-myung spoke with representative Han Dong-hoon at the plenary session hall. And they were seen shaking hands. Is there anything you're told you've talked about?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
I haven't heard it directly, but I think it's an iconic photo. Didn't you make a joint effort to lift the emergency martial law yesterday? This is why Lee Jae-myung and his counterpart Han Dong-hoon failed to hold a second round of talks after meeting once, but since yesterday's joint cooperation of politics in such an emergency situation, yesterday's handshake was a communication that Korea should join forces to overcome the limitations of the presidential system and the difficulties of President Yoon Suk Yeol's current state administration. In that sense, representative Han Dong-hoon will also think about what kind of cooperation with the opposition party in the current situation and whether to speak out on impeachment.
I'm sure the party will not oppose impeachment or anything like that. In the end, the People's Power lawmakers also have 108 seats, so if they vote autonomously, they will have to vote for their own beliefs. As a single independent legislative body, we understand that this is clearly wrong yesterday in the current situation, and we look forward to such legislative activities in the future.
[Anchor]
Since representative Han Dong-hoon denies that he discussed impeachment with the Democratic Party of Korea, it is not known in detail what he said.
Meanwhile, there is a lot of speculation about the background of President Yoon's sudden declaration of martial law in the middle of the night. After listening to the analysis of Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok and lawmaker Lee Jun-seok, we will continue the conversation.
As you have just heard, lawmakers Kim Min-seok and Lee Joon-seok analyzed that the Kim Gun-hee special prosecutor and the Myung Tae-kyun case will be directly related to President Yoon's declaration of emergency martial law. Rep. Shin Hyun-young, what did you think?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
There are many evaluations that say they don't know why they actually did it. There are a number of reasons and concerning clues. In fact, even yesterday, the main political news was the prosecution of Myung Tae-kyun. But at that time, it would be better for him to conduct an independent counsel. Because I have a golden phone and that's my lawyer, and didn't I tell you that the moment I reveal it, this regime will collapse in a month?
That's why if this phone is released or tricked in the investigation, there is a clear risk that Kim Gun-hee's intervention in the nomination and President Yoon Suk Yeol's intervention in the nomination could eventually be revealed.
In particular, at today's plenary session, there was an impeachment of the auditor Choi Sang-soo and the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office. The meaning of the impeachment is that it was ultimately not prosecuted for the manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price. And the part where the Board of Audit and Inspection did not properly investigate before Yongsan. Because of the connection in this area, the end of all situations was facing the problems of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Didn't you do it to cover this up? Or even though we don't know that impeachment is the majority party, we're worried that even though we know that the emergency martial law will be eliminated, we're on the verge of revealing bigger clues we don't know. So why did President Yoon Suk Yeol do that? I don't know if it's on a whim. In the end, the U.S. diplomatic questionnaire recently defined it as a self-coup that ended in humiliation. We'll have to wait and see about this.
[Anchor]
President Yoon knows best. Since President Yoon himself is silent, some analysts say that it may be related to the Kim Gun-hee special prosecutor's case and the Myung Tae-kyun case. How do you see it?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't think it's all about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. It is more than 90 percent. Because President Yoon Suk Yeol said Kim Gun-hee was a victim during a press conference not long ago. It is an unwarranted attack on the victim by the opposition. Didn't that part quite touch President Yoon Suk Yeol's feelings? So it's hard to defend against the problem of First Lady Kim Gun-hee in a normal way. After yesterday's emergency martial law, when I saw various soldiers, I felt that they were not planned carefully. If it had been planned in advance, I think the National Assembly building would have been blocked from the beginning. But wasn't such a measure very sloppy? That's why the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee and the impeachment of the Board of Audit and Inspection of Korea Choi Hae-soo, as mentioned earlier, came all at once like a tsunami, so didn't it happen because it was very angry at the time?
[Anchor]
He's saying that he doesn't think he's thoroughly prepared.
[Yeo Sangwon]
on martial law Martial law preparation, follow-up measures. After declaring martial law, soldiers were mobilized, and there were actually 50 people yesterday.
[Anchor]
There were more than 200 people through CCTV, according to the report belatedly. Armed martial law forces are entering the National Assembly compound.
[Yeo Sangwon]
So it was very sloppy to come in and go out and close the iron door. So this is very serious, so a few months ago, Rep. Kim Min-seok said he would declare martial law. I don't think I did it that way. Wasn't yesterday an emotional martial law declaration?
[Anchor]
Considering the number of seats in the Democratic Party of Korea when Rep. Kim Min-seok's remarks came out, the effect will end soon even if an emergency martial law is declared, which makes no sense.
[Yeo Sangwon]
The most mysterious thing is that if this happens, the Democratic Party of Korea has much more than 150 seats. The requirement for lifting is a majority. I can do it. We're all together again. More than 150 people. You can predict all these things in that state, but the martial law was declared. I can't understand this. I don't understand it with a normal process.
[Anchor]
You pointed out that the preparation was clumsy. Rep. Park Sun-woo of the Democratic Party released a data. I'll show you. Prior to martial law, the 707 special mission members who were dispatched to martial law forces had been ordered to be dispatched and ordered to wait. Representative Park Sun-won raised this suspicion. He was a former deputy director of the National Intelligence Service. Rep. Park issued a press release and said that reports are pouring in from participating soldiers, and we are now showing text messages that were delivered to members of the 707 Special Mission at around 8 p.m. last night. The message says that there is a possibility of actual dispatch and that the Defense Minister will call the 707th Special Task Force without regard to other brigades if things happen this week or next week.
[Anchor]
I told you about lawmaker Park Sun-won's suspicions. Representative Shin Hyun-young, there are continuous stories in the political circle that Kim Min-seok's prediction was correct. Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok said in the past interview that he was suspicious when he started using the term anti-state forces. But the passport insisted that it was absolutely not. The opposition party kept talking about this, didn't it?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
It came out from within, but isn't martial law too old for our opposition party? Actually, I'm a generation that has never experienced martial law. Lawmaker Kim Min-seok, isn't that too old? There were talks about this, but I never dreamed that this would become a reality. Nevertheless, various figures from Chungampa continued. And the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, including Minister Lee Sang-min, continued to take place at the Hannam-dong mission, and what they would have said. And when Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun also questioned Rep. Choo Mi-ae at the confirmation hearing and several lawmakers questioned, the soldiers would not move even if we ordered martial law. So I denied that I couldn't do it, but I can't help but feel so confused that I still can't tell whether these things were realized in reality or dreams yesterday. Living in Korea right now is a very difficult situation for us to know how to deal with this and how to accept it.
[Anchor]
The ruling party strongly criticized Kim Min-seok, the supreme council member, for saying that it could not happen at first.
[Yeo Sangwon]
As you said earlier, at the front line, preventing police or something like that. Aren't all soldiers from the MZ generation? There is no possibility that these people will accept martial law. The people who entered the Capitol yesterday were ordered by the commander, but when I saw the crash, I felt that they didn't just do it very badly, they were following orders. So, I heard that a lot of lawmakers have already been discussed earlier, but since he was from Chungam High School and the results are like this, all of those things are combined into suspicion. It will be revealed later.
[Anchor]
The biggest interest is what choice the people's power will make when voting on the impeachment motion. It seems that the people's inner circle and the pro-Yoon-gye thought a little differently. In the power of the people, the text of floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is controversial, right? Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said he wanted to gather outside the National Assembly, not at the National Assembly. Representative Han Dong-hoon said to gather inside the National Assembly. How are you watching it?
[Yeo Sangwon]
This time, as the general public is very embarrassed and embarrassed, it seems that this was discussed only in a very small number of people. The emergency martial law. As a result, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho and others seem to know in advance.
[Anchor]
Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho says he didn't know.
[Yeo Sangwon]
So, as you said earlier, if you request the cancellation, it will be lifted immediately, but it is clear that it will pass regardless of whether the people's power participates or not. [Anchor] More than 150 opposition members were already in the plenary hall.
[Yeo Sangwon]
Entering from a pro-yoon's point of view and participating in the vote, this cannot happen from a pro-yoon's point of view. Regardless of whether martial law is legal or illegal. Therefore, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said, "First of all, let's come up with a common strategy. In this regard, he probably told everyone to come to the company, and as soon as martial law was declared, representative Han Dong-hoon said that it was illegal, so of course, he would have asked to go to the National Assembly and attend a vote on the demand for lifting. In conclusion, it doesn't mean much in terms of the number of people. Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho's words have become a tie-up of pro-yoon.
[Anchor]
As a result of the final confirmation by the National Assembly, it has been confirmed that at least 280 martial law troops have entered the declaration of emergency martial law. Since over 150 people gathered, it was a situation where we could actually move on to approval even if we didn't have 18 close friends. But representative Han Dong-hoon, who did not have the right to vote because he was not an active lawmaker, was there himself. I'm sure it's meaningful.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
It's meaningful. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "That doesn't mean much earlier. So I said as if the text from CEO Choo Kyung-ho, who asked us to gather at the company, was meaningless, but if there was an emergency martial law on the weekend, many lawmakers would go to the provinces. Then it's hard to get together quickly. Then, the opposition party alone may not be a quorum or a majority. If this is repeated in such a situation, there may be a considerable rebuke for the failure to serve as a spokesperson for the military forces, which are at the headquarters and are paralyzed from the function of the National Assembly, which is the party of the people's will. Regardless of the circumstances, in the event of an emergency, efforts should be made to protect the National Assembly and to establish the function of the National Assembly. In that regard, I think it is a big problem consciousness to say that this is not a big deal in the power of the people.
[Anchor]
The opposition party, including Chairman Lee Jae-myung, is concerned that there is a possibility of a second martial law declaration and preparation, especially the possibility of a local war with North Korea.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
Representative Lee Jae-myung said that he is a dangerous president who is willing to fight local wars while holding an emergency rally at 12 o'clock. That's why we're going to deal with the current situation. The president is not located right now. And it's impossible to predict what kind of position to express on this situation. If so, will President Yoon Suk Yeol feel his responsibility for the situation and apologize to the people and take appropriate measures? Or we cannot predict whether to use the military and police in a way that threatens the greater security of the Republic of Korea. In that sense, the opposition party's position is that it is always necessary to prepare for such risks conservatively.
[Anchor]
Lawyer Yeo Sang-won said, "The opposition party is concerned, the possibility of declaring a second martial law, and the possibility of a local war with North Korea.
[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't think so until yesterday. No matter how many political considerations the president has. But after seeing the declaration of the emergency martial law yesterday, didn't the opposition party actually snort at everything when lawmaker Kim Min-seok talked about the emergency martial law? So, what can we do when President Yoon Suk Yeol is in a tight spot? I think that's what makes me doubt it. That's why President Yoon Suk Yeol suffered a lot of damage due to the declaration of emergency martial law, but the biggest thing is not authoritarianism as a national leader and has lost authority. This part talked about political death, but I think it must be very difficult for the president.
[Anchor]
President Yoon, who has lost his authority, then what position do you think he should make?
[Yeo Sangwon]
So, in my opinion, impeachment is not a matter for the president to impeach me, it's not a matter to be solved like this, but it's left to the National Assembly, and only what you have to do is to reassure the people as much as possible, and there are things you can do now, such as people's livelihoods and medical disasters. Of course, I don't know if it's suspended because of the impeachment. I think showing that it is for the people will help restore authority or trust at least a little.
[Anchor]
Rather than pursuing impeachment, the leadership of the People's Power is putting more weight on such a plan to conduct an investigation into the crime of rebellion. The reason is not irrelevant to the trauma of impeachment of the Park Geun Hye. So, when former President Park Geun Hye was impeached, he gave up power while sympathizing with some of the Saenuri Party's forces, and he has a perception that it led to division and destruction of the conservative camp. Is it right?
[Yeo Sangwon]
That's right. I'm not saying that President Yoon Suk Yeol did a good job, but whether it's impeached because it's wrong, it's not realistic, but wouldn't the presidential election be held soon?
[Anchor] The People's Power leadership is concerned that if President
Yoon is impeached, an early presidential election could be held and Representative Lee Jae-myung will cover up his judicial risks and take the next presidential election.
[Yeo Sangwon]
I think, of course, that's what the People's Power Members are doing.
[Anchor]
How do you see the possibility?
[Yeo Sangwon]
Apart from criticizing the emergency martial law, as I said earlier on impeachment, is this a reason for impeachment in the Constitutional Court to the extent that I can resign from my post even if it is passed by the National Assembly? I think this part will be followed by a geographical battle.
[Anchor]
Meanwhile, former Governor Kim Kyung-soo, who was studying in Germany, called Shin 3 Kim, canceled all schedules and said he would return home as soon as possible. Originally, he was in a position to return home around June next year.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
You're going to do politics at this timing. . .
[Anchor]
Former Governor Kim Kyung-soo expressed his position. You're going back home now?
[Anchor]
He expressed his position that history cannot be reversed.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
If you make a decision to continue politics in the current democratic crisis in Korea, it is very important to come in at this time and speak out as the opposition's presidential candidate to establish a political position, and to show the people honestly how you will recover politically in this settlement. So, not only representative Lee Jae-myung, but also many opposition figures, including Governor Kim Dong-yeon, Governor Kim Kyung-soo, and Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum, should join forces to rebuild the country with citizens' power in restoring the distrust that democracy in the Republic of Korea was this big. At that time, I hope that politicians who are right in conservatives will be able to unite.
[Anchor]
Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, what do you think of former Governor Kim Kyung-soo's early return to Korea?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I thought he would come in when I received the pardon right, but that's not true. For Governor Kim Kyung-soo, coming in at this time is a great opportunity for him if he wants to continue his political life. And as Representative Shin said earlier, the opposition parties are united, which is good for the opposition party, apart from the position of the ruling camp, and in terms of providing many options for the people.
[Anchor]
Wait a minute. The judiciary is busy right now. In addition, Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae also said he would see if he followed martial law procedures. How do you judge whether the Supreme Court has followed the issues and procedures that can be judged by the Supreme Court?
[Yeo Sangwon]
It's not here right now.
[Anchor]
Why did Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae say he would see if this martial law followed the procedure when it is not there?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't know. Why did it come out like that? When reporters asked me various questions, didn't you answer when you weren't ready? The court is an institution that judges which cases should have specific cases, not a place where there are no specific cases like the administration. It's a passive organ. Rather, it is understandable that the Constitutional Court says that.
Because if you come to the Constitutional Court after being impeached, the Constitutional Court will eventually judge the unconstitutionality of the declaration of martial law and the illegality of it.
[Anchor]
Shall we take a look at the atmosphere of the Constitutional Court? I see. Amid a series of criticisms about the unconstitutionality of emergency martial law, the Constitutional Court said it would respond carefully but agilely to the relevant content. The emergency martial law declared by President Yoon Suk Yeol was lifted in six hours. The aftermath continues. I took a closer look with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Hyun-young. Thank you both for coming out today.
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[Anchor]
YTN News Special Report is continuing. The emergency decree declared by President Yoon Suk Yeol was lifted in six hours. As you just heard, the political and social aftermath is raging. The six opposition parties, which are demanding the president's resignation and resignation, have just submitted a bill to impeach Yoon Suk Yeol's president to the National Assembly.
The opposition party said it will report the impeachment bill to the National Assembly tomorrow morning and start voting as early as the day after tomorrow at the latest. The impeachment bill was joined by all 191 people except 108 members of the People's Power and the National Assembly speaker.
The decision of the People's Power lawmakers is very important because two-thirds of the lawmakers must approve the presidential impeachment bill in order to pass the National Assembly. Let's look at the aftermath of the declaration and lifting of the emergency martial law. Let's analyze the aftermath of the emergency martial law declaration with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and former lawmaker Shin Hyun-young of the Democratic Party of Korea. Welcome, two of you.
The political situation is facing a major turning point. The aftermath of the emergency martial law continues. Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, how did you see the process of declaring and lifting emergency martial law yesterday as a legal professional?
[Yeo Sang-won] I don't know if you know it's our buma crisis before it was declared ∀, but it reached 10.2679, and then 5.18 as well. So even if martial law was declared because of the intensification of protests, of course, it was all wrong in the New Military Tribunal later, but even so, I thought that emergency martial law could be declared. But this time, the society is so peaceful.
Of course, the National Assembly was noisy politically, and the president was impeached because the issue surrounding him and Kim Gun-hee was the independent counsel, but it was a political issue and a problem to be solved by the National Assembly socially, and of course, there were weekend rallies, but it was a peaceful rally. Wasn't it such a unstable situation that the police couldn't control the assembly and that the military had to step up? When martial law was suddenly declared there, I thought I was joking at first, so I told him not to play, and when I turned on the news, it was absurd that martial law was declared in the middle of the night, right? That's how I felt.
[Anchor]
Do you think Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of emergency martial law is a misjudgment, lawyer Yeo Sang-won?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I see legal and political things separately, but I'm a lawyer. Legally, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol will have something to say. But politically, it was a really wrong judgment. I think it is a measure that should not have been taken as a president, regardless of the law, to try to solve his political problems with the strictest measure stipulated by our Constitution, emergency martial law.
[Anchor]
Legally, it should be considered, but politically, it was clearly the wrong decision. The opposition party submitted the impeachment bill to the National Assembly. We'll be voting soon. Is it as early as the day after tomorrow? It's possible to vote the day after tomorrow.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
First of all, the impeachment motion was proposed, then reported to the plenary session and then voted on within 72 hours, and such a quick response is needed. Because the current political situation is quite a crisis, and the desperate belief that the president does not know what kind of threatening security crisis he will cause in the Republic of Korea has united the six parties.
[Anchor]
The opposition party is calling for the resignation of the opposition party, and the office should be suspended through impeachment before the resignation of the opposition party, right?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
is correct. It's the best white. As President Yoon Suk Yeol showed a significant threat to the Republic of Korea under the current circumstances yesterday, and the president's bare face was revealed in a way that rather undermines democracy, the people may feel that it is the last service to do for the Republic of Korea to clean up and come down quickly.
[Anchor]
Rep. Shin Hyun-young heard the news yesterday while on YTN, right?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
Yes, in fact, it was a shocking situation. I was very curious about what the president would say on an ambitious night live, but it was so shocking that I forgot what to say and how all the performers should interpret and accept it. And when emergency martial law is invoked, the media and various political controls are eventually imposed, but there is even anxiety about whether it is safe for us to go home every day. So it was a very intimidating situation for the people. And the shock has not subsided to this day.
[Anchor]
They analyzed that it was so shocking. Then why do you think it was such a shocking declaration of emergency martial law?
[Yeo Sangwon]
In my opinion, what kind of political dead end is President Yoon Suk Yeol in right now? Wouldn't it have been too hard to make a rational judgment? Of course, he may have caused it himself, but President Yoon Suk Yeol said various reasons yesterday while talking about martial law. Judging from the fact that they talked about impeachment, special prosecutors, impeachment of the auditor, and impeachment of prosecutors. And Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor is coming soon. In my opinion, I don't think there was any compromise with CEO Han Dong-hoon on that part.
Because it can be seen that CEO Han Dong-hoon is illegal as soon as martial law is declared and should be lifted immediately, and from the fact that he said so, CEO Han Dong-hoon is not on our side anymore. Especially regarding Kim Gun-hee's special prosecutor. There is no more way to do it here. Because the reconsideration is on the 10th. If Kim Gun-hee passes the independent counsel, this is truly an intolerable situation for President Yoon Suk Yeol. The last player, this one, is wrong, but I think it came out like that. Aren't we running out of time right now for impeachment?
In this regard, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of martial law yesterday is mixed with emotion. Not just on the legal front. However, we should be careful in impeaching a country's president whether he did it right or wrong. It is not right for even the National Assembly to respond emotionally. In particular, as I said earlier, it was a political measure to the point of being declared dead, but legally, this is my personal view. Clearly it could be a problematic impeachment. Then, it's something that the people can understand more carefully. The people are also excited right now. He was so emotional that he called for Yoon Suk Yeol's resignation. However, I hope politicians respond calmly even if the public gets excited. I also think that I am responding too emotionally because I am trapped in such hatred of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol.
[Anchor]
With both the ruling and opposition parties holding emergency parliamentary elections, calls for the president's defection came out within the people's power, and the Democratic Party of Korea took out a card to impeach the president. First, let's listen to the voices of representative Han Dong-hoon and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho.
I heard the interview of representative Han Dong-hoon, and he demanded the resignation of the cabinet and the punishment of those responsible, such as the dismissal of the defense minister. And he also demanded the president's defection, but he hasn't come to a conclusion yet. The opposition party is trying to charge it with rebellion and is talking about impeachment. When I asked him to tell me what he thought of the ruling party, he said he would decide on this through a general meeting. Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, how did you hear Han Dong-hoon's three demands?
[Yeo Sangwon]
First and second, didn't Chairman Han Dong-hoon also say that opinions were generally gathered in that direction within the party? Cabinet resignation, punishment of those responsible. I don't think there's a big opinion on that. Demand for defection is the most important thing now, but in my opinion, if you don't leave the party, can you leave the party from the power of the people? the most powerful However, even though he is the president, he should not go all the way to the party, and in my opinion, representative Han Dong-hoon's political power should be exercised here.
Only by negotiating with the president or allowing him to leave the party on his own, I think Yoon Suk Yeol can secure the opposition of the People's Power lawmakers in the impeachment vote, otherwise it will be difficult to act here when the People's Power lawmakers are listening to the people's and citizens' outcry. I'll go to the Constitutional Court later, but if it's voted on. Apart from that, if the National Assembly itself needs the support of members of the People's Power on this part, President Yoon Suk Yeol's defection on his own will hurt him so much that he may recover to some extent, but he will recover, and it would be better for President Yoon Suk Yeol to defect on his own in order to be under the leadership of Representative Han Dong-hoon, who can receive support from the people.
[Anchor]
I see. Rep. Shin Hyun-young, what did you think of Han Dong-hoon's three demands?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think Han Dong-hoon's leadership, which has not been able to accomplish three things now, is really problematic. Now, the people are not interested in whether President Yoon Suk Yeol has a party of people's power or not. He's already died politically. If so, public support will inevitably decline at a time when it is really difficult to serve as president. How would you manage state administration? In that regard, the power of the people should also have a strong message in this area at the level of the public, but the demand for defection has not yet been resolved at the general meeting of the lawmakers. I think these things are very disappointing.
[Anchor]
What decisions do you think we should make from the power of the people?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
In fact, if impeachment is proposed now, we will go with impeachment in this regard clearly from the power of the people. Or, in this regard, we are responsible for the stern punishment, and even in the power of the people, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho was not allowed to participate in the lifting of emergency martial law due to such a notice yesterday. Then, even though he is in a position where he has to resign with responsibility, he is still shamelessly giving such a briefing without recognizing the seriousness of the people's power. I think it's really frustrating.
In that sense, we should make a strong voice centered on close circles and no longer think about our own political life, but make a proper voice from the public's point of view on rebuilding the democracy of the Republic of Korea, the authority of the president, and how far we can recover. Otherwise, I also feel a great sense of incompatibility that the power of the people will not be able to continue to exist in conservative politics in the future.
[Anchor]
The opposition party is pressuring the people to approve the impeachment motion because it has been proposed. What kind of decision do you think representative Han Dong-hoon will make for the power of the people?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I still remember that impeachment changed the regime and the Moon Jae In administration came into existence in 2017. But at that time, former President Park Geun Hye was called an economic community, so I don't know what it's called legally, but corruption and the state of affairs were played around by one person, and the most important thing in this impeachment is how the impeachment motion will be structured.The most important thing right now is the declaration of emergency martial law. So you'll be holding an illegal declaration of emergency martial law. In my view, as I said earlier, it was a very unjust declaration of emergency martial law politically, but it needs to be considered legally. What's wrong with this now is that the requirement for declaring emergency martial law is when it is necessary to maintain order with the military in wartime, in case of an incident or equivalent national emergency.
But I told you earlier. Right now, our country is in a very calm state and only the political circles are noisy. Whether this is an emergency equivalent to wartime in the Constitution or martial law law. In this regard, of course, President Yoon Suk Yeol has the intention of these pro-North Korean forces to overthrow the state. I said the reason for the declaration of emergency martial law to the effect that I felt a sense of crisis here.
[Anchor]
In conclusion, do you think the power of the people is unlikely to agree?
[Yeo Sangwon]
It is legal, and politically, and in this case, will the powerful lawmakers of the people allow an unusual change in the government if the opposition party's leading candidate is elected early? Of course, you'll be criticized a lot. If you don't agree to this impeachment this time. However, lawmakers of the People's Power may have thoughts about the collapse of conservatives after sympathizing with it as in the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye.
[Anchor]
In the opposition party, all of the procedures for declaring emergency martial law were in violation of the Constitution. Accordingly, he committed the crimes of civil rebellion under Article 87 of the Criminal Code and military rebellion under the Military Criminal Code. That's what I'm claiming. How do you see it, as a legal professional?
[Yeo Sangwon]
First of all, I think it's hard to be a civil war. What is a civil war? I don't know if you think of former lawmaker Lee Seok-ki's ruling, but in order to become a civil war, it is a civil war that seeks to abolish the state agencies, the National Assembly, the presidency, or the judiciary set in our Constitution and go to some kind of dictatorial side. And did you say it was a rebellion? In the case of military rebellion, this enters the military rebellion when it is done by force without constitutional or legal means. In my view, it was politically inappropriate to say that I was very politically inappropriate, but it was a constitutional measure.
Later, whether it was legal or constitutional, this will be discussed later when the court issues it, but first of all, the fact that President Yoon Suk Yeol took measures under the Constitution is fair power in our administrative actions. As an administrative act, we accept it as an act of governance, but later the court or the prosecution will take issue with it. It is difficult to say that it is a civil war or rebellion in itself.
[Anchor]
Rep. Shin pointed out Han's leadership earlier on whether to ask the president to leave the party, and Yoo Young-ha, a close aide to former President Park Geun Hye. Referring to the case of impeachment of President Park Geun Hye, the demand for defection needs to be considered in order to reinvent the government. What do you predict?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
It seems that they are using political tactics inside to survive typical self-politics. Senator Yoo Young-ha, of course, I have a painful experience during the Park Geun Hye presidency, but many people are saying that the current situation is actually more serious than the Park Geun Hye presidency. In that sense, it is difficult to take back the next administration with impeachment, and that's why the old politics, which say we shouldn't go into impeachment now with political advantages, is still a big voice in the people's power and is holding back the politics of Han Dong-hoon, who is really trying to reform and change, so we should cut it off.
Only then will CEO Han Dong-hoon be able to stand proudly in front of the Korean people as the next presidential candidate. I think the power of the people is hopeless in the future if they say that they are still held back and still surrounded by pro-Yoon and cannot speak out properly even in this serious situation of the president. In this regard, in response to more innovative voices, didn't the People's Power lawmakers clearly vote yesterday to lift the emergency martial law even though 18 people still did? Such people should lead the political situation more. In that sense, I think the role of the ruling party is very important.
[Anchor]
We graphically showed you the list of lawmakers in favor of lifting martial law. Meanwhile, the Democratic Party of Korea raised its voice that it would impeach President Yoon unless he voluntarily resigned. Following Lee Jae-myung, we will continue our conversation by listening to the voice of Park Chan-dae, the floor leader.
[Anchor]
Following President Yoon Suk Yeol's call for resignation and resignation, the impeachment bill has now been proposed. A vote will take place as early as the day after tomorrow. However, 18 ruling party lawmakers voted in favor of the bill when the National Assembly passed the bill to lift the emergency martial law. There are 18 names coming out. If eight out of 18 people approve the impeachment motion, it will be passed and the president will be suspended from office. The biggest interest now is what the people's power will decide.
In this regard, Han Dong-hoon, the representative of People's Power, told a media outlet that he has never discussed impeachment with the Democratic Party of Korea. Representative Shin Hyun-young said earlier that representative Han Dong-hoon should make a decision. Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, what kind of decision do you think CEO Han Dong-hoon will make in the end?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I understand the 18 people who voted for it earlier. Because as you said earlier, the National Assembly is a political institution, not an institution that enforces laws. There, 18 people agreed because they knew martial law was very politically unjust, so of course, they would have more than 150 seats, but I think impeachment is another matter.
President Trump has also been impeached twice and all of them were rejected. Isn't it really the legal way to expel the nation's supreme leader selected by the people? It means that we need to be cautious and strict about this. So, even if this part is not representative Han Dong-hoon, since representative Han Dong-hoon is not a member of the parliament, he does not have the right to vote, but isn't it a matter of closeness? Even if close lawmakers agreed on the lifting of martial law, I think it would be difficult to agree on impeachment.
[Anchor]
In a media interview today, a key member of the close circle said that the ruling party should judge the measures according to the ruling party, but the previous day, President Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of martial law should not be unearned for Lee Jae-myung. Therefore, it is unclear whether or not the ruling party lawmakers who ultimately voted for martial law will approve the impeachment motion.
The Democratic Party has distanced itself from impeachment, unlike the Cho Kuk Innovation Party. However, it is actively coming out from early this morning. What is the atmosphere in the party now?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
We're quite out of shock, but now we're calmly discussing what to do as a first party to rebuild democracy after the lifting of the emergency rule. Regarding impeachment, in the past, in candlelight vigils, wasn't the impeachment of the Park Geun Hye regime carried out in such a way that politicians joined together when citizens eventually told them to step forward and step down first?
Now, many citizens who were surprised yesterday will take to the streets. There is a possibility that the opposition parties will move together to represent it. That's why I think we will now make efforts to recreate the regime with the people. This is not as if representative Lee Jae-myung is a means to become president, but I think we should communicate with the people while communicating about what is best we can do now in order for democracy of the Republic of Korea to be upright and politics to be established properly.
[Anchor]
If the vote is held the day after tomorrow and passed, the National Assembly's impeachment opinion will be submitted. Then we move on to the Constitutional Court. We have to hold an impeachment trial in the Constitutional Court, and more than 7 judges must be present, but there are 6 judges, right? What's going to happen?
[Yeo Sangwon]
Opposition recommendation, ruling party recommendation, president recommendation. So, if the impeachment bill is passed in the Democratic Party of Korea, it will probably speed up the selection of constitutional judges. Otherwise, impeachment itself cannot be done under the six-member system. So I feel like I'm going to speed up.
[Anchor]
It will speed up. First of all, the possibility of appointing a vacant constitutional judge has increased. I also pointed out the possibility when I moved on to the Constitutional Court. In the midst of this, representative Lee Jae-myung spoke with representative Han Dong-hoon at the plenary session hall. And they were seen shaking hands. Is there anything you're told you've talked about?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
I haven't heard it directly, but I think it's an iconic photo. Didn't you make a joint effort to lift the emergency martial law yesterday? This is why Lee Jae-myung and his counterpart Han Dong-hoon failed to hold a second round of talks after meeting once, but since yesterday's joint cooperation of politics in such an emergency situation, yesterday's handshake was a communication that Korea should join forces to overcome the limitations of the presidential system and the difficulties of President Yoon Suk Yeol's current state administration. In that sense, representative Han Dong-hoon will also think about what kind of cooperation with the opposition party in the current situation and whether to speak out on impeachment.
I'm sure the party will not oppose impeachment or anything like that. In the end, the People's Power lawmakers also have 108 seats, so if they vote autonomously, they will have to vote for their own beliefs. As a single independent legislative body, we understand that this is clearly wrong yesterday in the current situation, and we look forward to such legislative activities in the future.
[Anchor]
Since representative Han Dong-hoon denies that he discussed impeachment with the Democratic Party of Korea, it is not known in detail what he said.
Meanwhile, there is a lot of speculation about the background of President Yoon's sudden declaration of martial law in the middle of the night. After listening to the analysis of Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok and lawmaker Lee Jun-seok, we will continue the conversation.
As you have just heard, lawmakers Kim Min-seok and Lee Joon-seok analyzed that the Kim Gun-hee special prosecutor and the Myung Tae-kyun case will be directly related to President Yoon's declaration of emergency martial law. Rep. Shin Hyun-young, what did you think?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
There are many evaluations that say they don't know why they actually did it. There are a number of reasons and concerning clues. In fact, even yesterday, the main political news was the prosecution of Myung Tae-kyun. But at that time, it would be better for him to conduct an independent counsel. Because I have a golden phone and that's my lawyer, and didn't I tell you that the moment I reveal it, this regime will collapse in a month?
That's why if this phone is released or tricked in the investigation, there is a clear risk that Kim Gun-hee's intervention in the nomination and President Yoon Suk Yeol's intervention in the nomination could eventually be revealed.
In particular, at today's plenary session, there was an impeachment of the auditor Choi Sang-soo and the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office. The meaning of the impeachment is that it was ultimately not prosecuted for the manipulation of Deutsche Motors' stock price. And the part where the Board of Audit and Inspection did not properly investigate before Yongsan. Because of the connection in this area, the end of all situations was facing the problems of First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Didn't you do it to cover this up? Or even though we don't know that impeachment is the majority party, we're worried that even though we know that the emergency martial law will be eliminated, we're on the verge of revealing bigger clues we don't know. So why did President Yoon Suk Yeol do that? I don't know if it's on a whim. In the end, the U.S. diplomatic questionnaire recently defined it as a self-coup that ended in humiliation. We'll have to wait and see about this.
[Anchor]
President Yoon knows best. Since President Yoon himself is silent, some analysts say that it may be related to the Kim Gun-hee special prosecutor's case and the Myung Tae-kyun case. How do you see it?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't think it's all about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. It is more than 90 percent. Because President Yoon Suk Yeol said Kim Gun-hee was a victim during a press conference not long ago. It is an unwarranted attack on the victim by the opposition. Didn't that part quite touch President Yoon Suk Yeol's feelings? So it's hard to defend against the problem of First Lady Kim Gun-hee in a normal way. After yesterday's emergency martial law, when I saw various soldiers, I felt that they were not planned carefully. If it had been planned in advance, I think the National Assembly building would have been blocked from the beginning. But wasn't such a measure very sloppy? That's why the issue of First Lady Kim Gun-hee and the impeachment of the Board of Audit and Inspection of Korea Choi Hae-soo, as mentioned earlier, came all at once like a tsunami, so didn't it happen because it was very angry at the time?
[Anchor]
He's saying that he doesn't think he's thoroughly prepared.
[Yeo Sangwon]
on martial law Martial law preparation, follow-up measures. After declaring martial law, soldiers were mobilized, and there were actually 50 people yesterday.
[Anchor]
There were more than 200 people through CCTV, according to the report belatedly. Armed martial law forces are entering the National Assembly compound.
[Yeo Sangwon]
So it was very sloppy to come in and go out and close the iron door. So this is very serious, so a few months ago, Rep. Kim Min-seok said he would declare martial law. I don't think I did it that way. Wasn't yesterday an emotional martial law declaration?
[Anchor]
Considering the number of seats in the Democratic Party of Korea when Rep. Kim Min-seok's remarks came out, the effect will end soon even if an emergency martial law is declared, which makes no sense.
[Yeo Sangwon]
The most mysterious thing is that if this happens, the Democratic Party of Korea has much more than 150 seats. The requirement for lifting is a majority. I can do it. We're all together again. More than 150 people. You can predict all these things in that state, but the martial law was declared. I can't understand this. I don't understand it with a normal process.
[Anchor]
You pointed out that the preparation was clumsy. Rep. Park Sun-woo of the Democratic Party released a data. I'll show you. Prior to martial law, the 707 special mission members who were dispatched to martial law forces had been ordered to be dispatched and ordered to wait. Representative Park Sun-won raised this suspicion. He was a former deputy director of the National Intelligence Service. Rep. Park issued a press release and said that reports are pouring in from participating soldiers, and we are now showing text messages that were delivered to members of the 707 Special Mission at around 8 p.m. last night. The message says that there is a possibility of actual dispatch and that the Defense Minister will call the 707th Special Task Force without regard to other brigades if things happen this week or next week.
[Anchor]
I told you about lawmaker Park Sun-won's suspicions. Representative Shin Hyun-young, there are continuous stories in the political circle that Kim Min-seok's prediction was correct. Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok said in the past interview that he was suspicious when he started using the term anti-state forces. But the passport insisted that it was absolutely not. The opposition party kept talking about this, didn't it?
[Hyunyoung Shin]
It came out from within, but isn't martial law too old for our opposition party? Actually, I'm a generation that has never experienced martial law. Lawmaker Kim Min-seok, isn't that too old? There were talks about this, but I never dreamed that this would become a reality. Nevertheless, various figures from Chungampa continued. And the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, including Minister Lee Sang-min, continued to take place at the Hannam-dong mission, and what they would have said. And when Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun also questioned Rep. Choo Mi-ae at the confirmation hearing and several lawmakers questioned, the soldiers would not move even if we ordered martial law. So I denied that I couldn't do it, but I can't help but feel so confused that I still can't tell whether these things were realized in reality or dreams yesterday. Living in Korea right now is a very difficult situation for us to know how to deal with this and how to accept it.
[Anchor]
The ruling party strongly criticized Kim Min-seok, the supreme council member, for saying that it could not happen at first.
[Yeo Sangwon]
As you said earlier, at the front line, preventing police or something like that. Aren't all soldiers from the MZ generation? There is no possibility that these people will accept martial law. The people who entered the Capitol yesterday were ordered by the commander, but when I saw the crash, I felt that they didn't just do it very badly, they were following orders. So, I heard that a lot of lawmakers have already been discussed earlier, but since he was from Chungam High School and the results are like this, all of those things are combined into suspicion. It will be revealed later.
[Anchor]
The biggest interest is what choice the people's power will make when voting on the impeachment motion. It seems that the people's inner circle and the pro-Yoon-gye thought a little differently. In the power of the people, the text of floor leader Choo Kyung-ho is controversial, right? Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said he wanted to gather outside the National Assembly, not at the National Assembly. Representative Han Dong-hoon said to gather inside the National Assembly. How are you watching it?
[Yeo Sangwon]
This time, as the general public is very embarrassed and embarrassed, it seems that this was discussed only in a very small number of people. The emergency martial law. As a result, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho and others seem to know in advance.
[Anchor]
Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho says he didn't know.
[Yeo Sangwon]
So, as you said earlier, if you request the cancellation, it will be lifted immediately, but it is clear that it will pass regardless of whether the people's power participates or not. [Anchor] More than 150 opposition members were already in the plenary hall.
[Yeo Sangwon]
Entering from a pro-yoon's point of view and participating in the vote, this cannot happen from a pro-yoon's point of view. Regardless of whether martial law is legal or illegal. Therefore, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said, "First of all, let's come up with a common strategy. In this regard, he probably told everyone to come to the company, and as soon as martial law was declared, representative Han Dong-hoon said that it was illegal, so of course, he would have asked to go to the National Assembly and attend a vote on the demand for lifting. In conclusion, it doesn't mean much in terms of the number of people. Floor leader Choo Kyung-ho's words have become a tie-up of pro-yoon.
[Anchor]
As a result of the final confirmation by the National Assembly, it has been confirmed that at least 280 martial law troops have entered the declaration of emergency martial law. Since over 150 people gathered, it was a situation where we could actually move on to approval even if we didn't have 18 close friends. But representative Han Dong-hoon, who did not have the right to vote because he was not an active lawmaker, was there himself. I'm sure it's meaningful.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
It's meaningful. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "That doesn't mean much earlier. So I said as if the text from CEO Choo Kyung-ho, who asked us to gather at the company, was meaningless, but if there was an emergency martial law on the weekend, many lawmakers would go to the provinces. Then it's hard to get together quickly. Then, the opposition party alone may not be a quorum or a majority. If this is repeated in such a situation, there may be a considerable rebuke for the failure to serve as a spokesperson for the military forces, which are at the headquarters and are paralyzed from the function of the National Assembly, which is the party of the people's will. Regardless of the circumstances, in the event of an emergency, efforts should be made to protect the National Assembly and to establish the function of the National Assembly. In that regard, I think it is a big problem consciousness to say that this is not a big deal in the power of the people.
[Anchor]
The opposition party, including Chairman Lee Jae-myung, is concerned that there is a possibility of a second martial law declaration and preparation, especially the possibility of a local war with North Korea.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
Representative Lee Jae-myung said that he is a dangerous president who is willing to fight local wars while holding an emergency rally at 12 o'clock. That's why we're going to deal with the current situation. The president is not located right now. And it's impossible to predict what kind of position to express on this situation. If so, will President Yoon Suk Yeol feel his responsibility for the situation and apologize to the people and take appropriate measures? Or we cannot predict whether to use the military and police in a way that threatens the greater security of the Republic of Korea. In that sense, the opposition party's position is that it is always necessary to prepare for such risks conservatively.
[Anchor]
Lawyer Yeo Sang-won said, "The opposition party is concerned, the possibility of declaring a second martial law, and the possibility of a local war with North Korea.
[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't think so until yesterday. No matter how many political considerations the president has. But after seeing the declaration of the emergency martial law yesterday, didn't the opposition party actually snort at everything when lawmaker Kim Min-seok talked about the emergency martial law? So, what can we do when President Yoon Suk Yeol is in a tight spot? I think that's what makes me doubt it. That's why President Yoon Suk Yeol suffered a lot of damage due to the declaration of emergency martial law, but the biggest thing is not authoritarianism as a national leader and has lost authority. This part talked about political death, but I think it must be very difficult for the president.
[Anchor]
President Yoon, who has lost his authority, then what position do you think he should make?
[Yeo Sangwon]
So, in my opinion, impeachment is not a matter for the president to impeach me, it's not a matter to be solved like this, but it's left to the National Assembly, and only what you have to do is to reassure the people as much as possible, and there are things you can do now, such as people's livelihoods and medical disasters. Of course, I don't know if it's suspended because of the impeachment. I think showing that it is for the people will help restore authority or trust at least a little.
[Anchor]
Rather than pursuing impeachment, the leadership of the People's Power is putting more weight on such a plan to conduct an investigation into the crime of rebellion. The reason is not irrelevant to the trauma of impeachment of the Park Geun Hye. So, when former President Park Geun Hye was impeached, he gave up power while sympathizing with some of the Saenuri Party's forces, and he has a perception that it led to division and destruction of the conservative camp. Is it right?
[Yeo Sangwon]
That's right. I'm not saying that President Yoon Suk Yeol did a good job, but whether it's impeached because it's wrong, it's not realistic, but wouldn't the presidential election be held soon?
[Anchor] The People's Power leadership is concerned that if President
Yoon is impeached, an early presidential election could be held and Representative Lee Jae-myung will cover up his judicial risks and take the next presidential election.
[Yeo Sangwon]
I think, of course, that's what the People's Power Members are doing.
[Anchor]
How do you see the possibility?
[Yeo Sangwon]
Apart from criticizing the emergency martial law, as I said earlier on impeachment, is this a reason for impeachment in the Constitutional Court to the extent that I can resign from my post even if it is passed by the National Assembly? I think this part will be followed by a geographical battle.
[Anchor]
Meanwhile, former Governor Kim Kyung-soo, who was studying in Germany, called Shin 3 Kim, canceled all schedules and said he would return home as soon as possible. Originally, he was in a position to return home around June next year.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
You're going to do politics at this timing. . .
[Anchor]
Former Governor Kim Kyung-soo expressed his position. You're going back home now?
[Anchor]
He expressed his position that history cannot be reversed.
[Hyunyoung Shin]
If you make a decision to continue politics in the current democratic crisis in Korea, it is very important to come in at this time and speak out as the opposition's presidential candidate to establish a political position, and to show the people honestly how you will recover politically in this settlement. So, not only representative Lee Jae-myung, but also many opposition figures, including Governor Kim Dong-yeon, Governor Kim Kyung-soo, and Prime Minister Kim Boo-kyum, should join forces to rebuild the country with citizens' power in restoring the distrust that democracy in the Republic of Korea was this big. At that time, I hope that politicians who are right in conservatives will be able to unite.
[Anchor]
Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, what do you think of former Governor Kim Kyung-soo's early return to Korea?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I thought he would come in when I received the pardon right, but that's not true. For Governor Kim Kyung-soo, coming in at this time is a great opportunity for him if he wants to continue his political life. And as Representative Shin said earlier, the opposition parties are united, which is good for the opposition party, apart from the position of the ruling camp, and in terms of providing many options for the people.
[Anchor]
Wait a minute. The judiciary is busy right now. In addition, Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae also said he would see if he followed martial law procedures. How do you judge whether the Supreme Court has followed the issues and procedures that can be judged by the Supreme Court?
[Yeo Sangwon]
It's not here right now.
[Anchor]
Why did Chief Justice Cho Hee-dae say he would see if this martial law followed the procedure when it is not there?
[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't know. Why did it come out like that? When reporters asked me various questions, didn't you answer when you weren't ready? The court is an institution that judges which cases should have specific cases, not a place where there are no specific cases like the administration. It's a passive organ. Rather, it is understandable that the Constitutional Court says that.
Because if you come to the Constitutional Court after being impeached, the Constitutional Court will eventually judge the unconstitutionality of the declaration of martial law and the illegality of it.
[Anchor]
Shall we take a look at the atmosphere of the Constitutional Court? I see. Amid a series of criticisms about the unconstitutionality of emergency martial law, the Constitutional Court said it would respond carefully but agilely to the relevant content. The emergency martial law declared by President Yoon Suk Yeol was lifted in six hours. The aftermath continues. I took a closer look with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and Democratic Party lawmaker Shin Hyun-young. Thank you both for coming out today.
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