President Yoon and Representative Han Dong-hoon will hold a private meeting after the by-elections.

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Attorney Seo Jeong-wook, Attorney Lee Seung-hoon

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[Anchor]
Let's start with a political commentary with a lively angle. We have two lawyers today. Lawyer Seo Jeong-wook and lawyer Lee Seung-hoon are here. Welcome. Let's check the first topic first. Please show us. The private meeting was held. After the by-elections on October 16, there was a breaking news from Yongsan that they would hold a private meeting. I think the president's office has decided to do it like this.

[Jungwook Seo]
It's a very good decision. In the past, the relationship between the two was likened to a sign language bridge, water, and fish, but in other words, Sunmangian. This is a community of destiny. But if you divide and confront, both of you can be wiped out. Therefore, harmony and integration are just as important. However, CEO Han Dong-hoon has proposed it several times so far, but these days, there are various crises such as Myung Tae-kyun and Kim Dae-nam. In that sense, the presidential office needs to harmonize with the party. In particular, there were four votes to leave the vote this time. But if you don't integrate, you can get a leave vote. I think that's why the solo meeting was successful.

[Anchor]
If you finally put the title on the title, but CEO Han Dong-hoon didn't even look at me when I kept asking for a private meeting, and he said, "Why do you want to do it now?" What do you think is the background?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
In the end, four votes were cast against the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor's Act. If you add four votes to this, I think Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law will pass. That's why I think we're having a dinner. Also, didn't Han Dong-hoon recently have dinner with outside chairmen or lawmakers? If you want to stay away from CEO Han Dong-hoon in Yongsan because you said you would act on the spot, you will have to bear the burden in Yongsan if the Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee Act passes and the Special Prosecutor Act on Chae Sang-byung is passed. That's why I think we met because of the pressure. In the end, you can't just break up after eating. You said you ate last time. And it could be canceled. And when we meet, what will we do with the Special Prosecutor's Law, and what will we do with the Special Prosecutor's Law on Chae Sang-byung? Regarding the Deutsche Motors investigation, it would be better to prosecute Kim Gun-hee, and these results should be presented. If the president vaguely refuses without producing the results, the situation is expected to get worse.

[Anchor]
However, I talked to representative Han Dong-hoon in advance, and he said, "Let's meet at what time and month, and we will have a private meeting in the president's office, not because the two sides have agreed on it, and the representative Han Dong-hoon has not been informed of the date." This is the situation right now. Why do you think it went like this?

[Jungwook Seo]
So, I think it's better to coordinate closely with each other and announce it when the date is set. Perhaps because the president is also on a tour, I wonder if this announcement came out. In common sense, close trust and communication with each other are important when it comes to a private meeting. It's strange that the unilateral request came out to the media. I think it's obvious that it doesn't fit common sense.

[Anchor]
So, the date hasn't come out yet, so we're a little skeptical about whether we're really having a private meeting or not. Anyway, if we have a private meeting, we can't skip talking about Kim Gun-hee. CEO Han Dong-hoon said this in relation to the controversy over Kim Gun-hee.
Let's hear what you're talking about.

Representative Han Dong-hoon said, "Kim Gun-hee's public activities and self-restraint are necessary." I think it was the most violent remarks about Mrs. Kim Gun-hee, how did you hear it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
If you think that way, it's too weak a statement. Actually, I'm told to refrain from public activities, but of course, I think I should refrain from that. I think there are continuous controversies over the intervention of nominations and that they are intervening in personnel affairs or that Kim Gun-hee is actually in control of the presidential office. The people are accepting such things realistically by looking at the recent transcripts. In that sense, special measures are needed. We apologize for these nomination interventions, prosecution investigations, and other issues, and as a special measure, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is not engaged in outside activities, and we need to audit the presidential office internally. Also, I think we need a special prosecutor, and I mean we need various things. Then, in terms of whether the president can accept this solution, I think there will be many skeptical voices about whether there is anything that can be obtained through a true dinner.

[Anchor]
In any case, you should refrain from public behavior. The party leader made this voice. I think you might think that they're going to have a private meeting, but it's going to be canceled because of the bad atmosphere.

[Jungwook Seo]
I don't think I can cancel it. I don't think I can cancel it because there was a private meeting after this comment came out. Rep. Kwon Sung-dong said the timing and method were not good. I think the timing, method, and content are all inappropriate. It's not right to go on a trip abroad and do it openly like that. The timing and method are not right. However, I hope that Kim Gun-hee will refrain quietly when we have a solo meeting, so we can be quiet like this. This doesn't fit. I don't agree with the content either. Why does Kim Gun-hee, such a young and competent career woman, have to stay home, clean, and do laundry? I don't think so. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee has expertise, so she can do her activities in culture and art.

Or who would say bitter things to the president. It's not easy for ordinary people. But it's women who dominate men. Therefore, the bitter criticism to the president, the role of the opposition party within the Blue House, and this is the role that First Lady Yuk Young-soo used to play. He plays this role, too.

[Anchor]
I don't think it can be too generalized that men dominate women.

[Jungwook Seo]
There was a story like this a long time ago. It's a man who rules the world, but it's a woman who rules the man, I'm quoting an old story. I mean, it's the role of the first lady who can convey public sentiment to the president and speak bitterly.

[Anchor]
It can be a channel for delivering bitter sounds. In addition, there is a role of the opposition party in the president's office and expertise in culture and arts. Then, taking care of the marginalized and in need, and such things as that. Why should the first lady only do internal assistance? I don't even agree.

[Anchor]
Anyway, why do you keep saying that to the media? The pro-Yoon world is expressing such complaints, and there must be a reason for that when speaking openly, right? Which one do you think it is?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Internally speaking, it doesn't work at all. We wanted to meet and talk, but since we don't meet, we're asking you to meet openly. We're supposed to meet after all, right? And what's wrong with the president's wife working outside? I didn't do anything wrong. But you're intervening in the nomination when you're in unelected power? You're intervening in the greeting. And you have to say bitter things through the president, but it's now a problem that you exercise your power through the presidential office staff, and those things are in the transcript, so the people are using the president's power and the wife's bitter words to the president. You're not exercising your power. In that respect, I would like to say that the people are angry.

[Anchor]
Regarding Kim Gun-hee's alleged Deutsche Motors, CEO Han Dong-hoon's side, Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department, said this. Therefore, the prosecution's indictment of Kim rather removes the cause of Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel. This is the interpretation. Do you agree?

[Jungwook Seo]
I don't agree at all. The prosecution says that there is a crime, but there is no crime that is not. The prosecution only needs to prove what the law and principles are and then judge what the facts are. This means you don't have to look at the power. Especially, you don't have to be wary of public opinion. Are you prosecuting him for not having good public opinion because there are suspicions? I've carefully reviewed page 350 of the verdict. The content is different from the previous one. Don't follow the public opinion, but according to the law, it is right for me to quickly clear the charges, but prosecute too much to avoid the special prosecution because public opinion is bad. Then, if you are innocent, you have to think about the feelings of the person who will be prosecuted. That's not how prosecutors do it.

[Anchor]
Anyway, Han Dong-hoon, a former prosecutor who was once called the Joseon Dynasty's first sword, also said this today. The Deutsche Motors investigation should produce results that are convincing to the public. If you look into this meaning, is it in line with the story of Vice-President Shin Ji-ho? How do I look at it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
That means you have to prosecute. If he is cleared of charges without prosecution, he will definitely go to the special prosecutor's office. Then the situation gets bigger, so I'm telling you to prosecute it. I saw the verdict, too.Why can't the prosecution clear him of charges for three years? In the case of acquittal, they are concerned about abuse of authority or that they will be innocent. That's why the prosecution has to do it quickly according to the law, or it doesn't prosecute? The people all think that then they look very incompetent and are very loyal to the president and see what they need to prosecute. If so, I think it will probably create a reason for representative Han Dong-hoon to go further from the power of the people, especially as an independent counsel.

[Jungwook Seo]
I don't understand what you mean if you're not guilty. If the prosecutor is guilty, prosecute him, and if he is not guilty, he is not guilty, but just because he is innocent, who is abusing his authority?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
Don't you think so? The prosecutor in charge should be prosecuted, and the presidential office or the prosecutor general abuses his authority to urge him to be innocent.

[Anchor]
I think there's a part where the two of you are arguing over the legal principles. Anyway, don't you think President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon will discuss how to solve the problem of First Lady Kim Gun-hee in this private meeting? We're going to have a discussion, but will it come to a conclusion? Where do you think an agreement will be reached?

[Jungwook Seo]
Maybe don't do any activities at all, you won't be able to do it like this. Even if you do activities, message management and external image are important. I feel the same way with Mapo Bridge. I think it's a good activity, a good suicide prevention, but the image has become like this, as if it's an overbearing instruction. How to manage this. At the same time, a second annex will be installed. Then, you should also recommend a special inspector. He said he'd do it. I think there will be a discussion covering these issues.

[Anchor]
If representative Han Dong-hoon asks for a public apology, do you think there is a possibility that President Yoon Suk Yeol will accept the answer?

[Jungwook Seo]
They say the timing of the apology is over now, this way or that way. There's nothing that can be solved by an apology right now.

[Anchor]
Where is this side or that side?

[Jungwook Seo]
Conservative or liberal, Democratic or people's power. It's not the right timing to solve it with an apology. The Democratic Party of Korea should investigate, but it's not a matter of covering up for an apology. The conservative side has also completed about one pouch bag. But the president has apologized twice, especially the second time, strongly for your unwise behavior. The rest is controversial right now, so it's not the right time to apologize.

[Anchor]
Recently, Chairman Han Dong-hoon said this at an external party cooperation committee dinner. I will choose the way the country and the party live. The time for choice is approaching. He said that he would act when the time came. If you don't get the answer you want in a solitary confinement room, you can do what you think you are right, so how did you hear it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
is correct. To choose the way the country and the party live means that I can die. I don't know if I'll ever dream of becoming president.Ma can throw away his presidential dream. I think if the country and the party live, in the end, they will criticize the president, and I will present it with the lawmakers who support me first, whether it is the special prosecutor Chae Sang-byung or Kim Gun-hee, and pass it. I don't think representative Han Dong-hoon will approve the proposal that the Democratic Party of Korea has put forward. If that's the case, it looks like they're going to propose, and this time, four people voted leave.Ma will be more than 10 next time. And if the president doesn't accept it, I'll do it. In the end, the time is coming. This could lead to a catastrophe, and it could be a way for the power of the people to move at the level of the people. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
Anyway, we'll have to see if this solo meeting will actually happen. Do you think Han Dong-hoon's path and President Yoon Suk Yeol's path can go together? How do you see it now?

[Jungwook Seo]
It's in jeopardy. It is a way for the country and the party to live, saying that representative Han Dong-hoon will follow the public sentiment. I think this is the way to break up with President Yoon Suk Yeol. Public opinion is like that if you do a little bit of public opinion. But you shouldn't do that. CEO Han Dong-hoon needs to look back on the past. Why did conservatives collapse during the {∀ Park Geun Hye} president, the party collapsed. How I did it then. CEO Han Dong-hoon should not go down the path of Yoo Seung Min. You shouldn't go down Kim Moo-sung's path. You can't go down the path of division now. You can't go down the path of betrayal. You have to unite with President Yoon to break through, and if you discriminate just because there is high public opinion and say you will go down that path, the real party will collapse and the conservatives will be destroyed.

[Anchor]
Anyway, let's wait and see what kind of answer CEO Han Dong-hoon, who is talking about his strong stance on First Lady Kim Gun-hee more than ever, has. Right now, the passport is quite a mess because of this one person. Please show us the next topic. Myung Tae-kyun, who is known as a political broker, is in the picture now. The political community is quite disturbed by this one person. Myung Tae-kyun is showing off his influence through various media interviews.

In this regard, the Presidential Office has also made an official position. I think it would be nice if you could show me the graphic. That's what I said. We met, but the high-ranking official of the People's Power, who came to his home in early July, is now said to be Lee Joon-seok, the then representative. I brought Myung and said that it was my first time seeing him. After a while, the People's Power politician, who also visited his home, brought Myung Tae-kyun again and had a second meeting. That's why they said they met twice.

And he explained that the reason he met each of these politicians at home at the time was because they asked for security, not because they were close. And the presidential office explained that he had not contacted Myung Tae-kyun after the presidential election. Each person seems to have a different position now, but to talk about the presidential office's position first, it is not that we have been close to Myung Tae-kyun for a long time, but Lee Joon-seok brought him. That's what you're talking about, right?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
So as soon as I explain it, it's becoming controversial. I said CEO Lee Junseok introduced it.What does CEO Lee Jun-seok mean? It's a straight lie. Myung Tae-kyun called me and I met the president. That's the purpose. The same goes for Governor Park Wan-soo of South Gyeongsang Province. I didn't ask you to meet me, but if you say you met the president because of Myung Tae-kyun's bridge, the president's office's stories were broken. Why are you talking about such broken logic? That's because I couldn't communicate with the president. I didn't clearly talk to the president.

Nevertheless, I think he was embarrassed because there was talk of Haya, about recording, and Kim Gun-hee's voice came out in a hurry. However, even if you are embarrassed, you have to be honest with the people. Things like me meeting, Kim Gun-hee meeting, or intervening in the nomination should all be mentioned. If you're going to lie, it's better not to explain, but as soon as you explain, the controversy has grown.

[Anchor]
What part of the official explanation from the presidential office do you think is wrong?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
It means the president has only met twice. But in the case of former chairman Kim Jong-in, when I went to meet him, he said that Myung Tae-kyun was next to the Yoon Suk Yeol candidate. Then the number of meetings is different. And CEO Lee Joon-seok or Park Wan-soo didn't introduce it, but the presidential office called through Myung Tae-kyun to meet the candidate. Then the way we met is different. I think I got it wrong three or four times. It also means that only the president of Yoon Suk Yeol hasn't contacted me.

That means you've been communicating with Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. So I said that I was wrong even if I gave it to him, and I remember it in the president's office. Then, you talked about things you don't even remember properly in front of the people. So I will say that all the explanations of the president's office are lies or that they were done without understanding the facts properly for now to avoid the crisis.

[Anchor] Regarding the presidential office's explanation of who knew Myung Tae-kyun first and who introduced it to whom, Rep. Lee Joon-seok refuted the presidential office's explanation that it was a lie, saying, "It was introduced by representative Lee Jun-seok." Let's listen to that voice, too. It's been a few years, but I think they all have different memories, but are you saying that lawmaker Lee Joon-seok wasn't introduced by me?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's right. But it doesn't matter who introduced it or not, and I'm sure there are three things, CEO Lee Joon-seok. Representative Lee Joon-seok would have known Myung Tae-kyun before the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. As far as I know, Myung Tae-kyun will be involved in public opinion polls or the election of Lee Joon-seok as the party leader. Then, I don't know whether he introduced it or not, but CEO Lee Joon-seok must have known it first. That's what I think. Second, Myung Tae-kyun is not a great person, but Kim Young-sun is a lawmaker in Changwon.

He's a big shot, and he's better than a perforation, and he would have given him 100 nominations. I was going to take one of Kim Young-sun, but it became like this. We're working in Changwon. But when I look at it then, who gave me the nomination letter to lawmaker Kim Young-sun's by-election? It's clear that CEO Lee Joon-seok stamped his seal and nominated him. It is clear that lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun is the chairman of the mission committee, and lawmaker Lee Joon-seok nominated Kim Young-sun as the party leader.

[Anchor]
Rep. Lee Joon-seok explains that it was all done by Yoon Sang-hyun, chairman of the mission committee at the time.

[Jungwook Seo]
Then the party leader shouldn't do that. CEO Han Dong-hoon also controls everything this time. At the end, the party leader filed an objection. Then I'm the leader of the Scarecrow Party. If Yoon Sang-hyun did it at that time, I'm a scarecrow. This is the second one. Lastly, isn't this the right thing to do with Myung Tae Gyun and plant plum blossoms at Chilbulsa Temple in the general election? If you don't have such a relationship with Myung Tae-kyun, why go to Chilbulsa Temple at that busy time, why shovel, and why plant? You can't deny these three things.

[Anchor]
Anyway, isn't it right that you've known Myung Tae-kyun for a long time and met him at Chilbulsa Temple? You refuted it like this. Anyway, who's closer to Myung-bak-kyun now? These controversies are going on. Not all politicians are close to me first, but they are waving their hands like this. I've organized the situation graphically. Do you know about pollack bacteria? These days, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong also said in an interview this morning, "I knew from the media reports. Representative Ahn Cheol Soo recently said, "I know pollack, but I don't know pollack."

Former Chairman Kim Jong-in denies that the Yoon Suk Yeol couple already knew it, saying, "I didn't introduce it," and Rep. Lee Joon-seok refutes, "It's a red lie, as I told you." Someone introduced it to me, so I know, right? How should I interpret this?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think that's what it is. The core is somewhere else, but I can't talk about the core, so I think I'm talking about something else. So CEO Lee Joon-seok didn't introduce himself, but he knows Myung Tae-kyun very well. So he went all the way to Chilbulsa Temple and planted trees. Whether it's a superstition or if you said you have to do this because you're elected to the National Assembly. And I think the same goes for the president. If this was intervened in nomination and personnel management through Myung Tae-kyun, this would be a problem.

It's a problem of illegality and a problem of manipulation of state affairs. Rather, it's a little strange to ask who introduced it. However, if you look at the media so far, there is a story that Myung Tae-kyun begged Kim Young-sun to introduce a presidential candidate. So, it's true that Kim Young-sun introduced it. Also, CEO Lee Joon-seok must have known about it. However, it could be a violation of the Political Fund Act if there are rumors that Myung Tae-kyun conducted a poll and produced and brought it to Yoon Suk Yeol, received help, and paid 300 million won worth of funds. The realm of law and illegality is damaging, but I think they are only dismissing it as an image of who introduced it, who knows that person well or doesn't.

[Anchor]
I think it's a part that needs to be investigated more about what kind of person he is, how reliable he is, and what kind of activities he did. Woo Sang-ho, a former lawmaker, analyzed it like this. I used the expression, "I don't think it's a little Chaeng" from what's been said so far. If you are a political broker who will meet such big people, not small-minded people, I wonder if you had a weapon. What kind of person should we look at it as?

[Jungwook Seo]
Park Chan-dae, the floor leader of the opposition party, said, "Myeong Tae-gyun on the perforation." That's what Myung Taekyun said. Let's talk about that. Next, representative Cho Kuk talked about the second Choi Soon-sil. Next, Namyangju lawmaker Kim Yong-min said, "The representative of this general election is not Han Dong-hoon, but Myung Tae-kyun. This is how the opposition party inflates. Since the transcript comes out and it looks weird, he treats us like a weird person and keeps away from each other, but going back to the past, he is a polling political consultant.

It's enough to meet, get help, and discuss. I'm bringing him up as a very strange person, but if you look at the original recording, it's like that. If you look at the situation when we meet, I've seen a lot of PNR polls. Aren't you that kind of person? I'm saying you shouldn't be a very weird person. And how long would this person have played a role? Whether it's Gallup or Realmeter president, it's a role. So I was in Changwon and nothing was nominated. It's not CEO Han Dong-hoon, but CEO Myung Tae-kyun, which is nonsense.

[Anchor]
From where to where should I trust Myung Tae-kyun's words? There was also an interview where his credibility collapsed a little. Please show us. Will this be a bluff or a Pandora's box, I think it's pigtails right now. Not even a 20th of what I've done, so when I open my mouth, it really flips. A month after the interview, I called the reporter a few hours after the press and said, "Would you be able to handle it if it was going to be impeached or not?" How do you see it?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
I think so. You'll see a risk of being arrested. Because the easiest way for the prosecution is to arrest the media so that they can't talk. That's why I think I'm talking to the media as if I have a lot of things because there's a fear of arresting them before they make a noise like this.

[Anchor]
Do you think I'm a little anxious right now?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
There's anxiety. However, speaking with confidence like that despite anxiety is a recording of a cell phone, a text message, or various evidence. What's the evidence? If First Lady Kim Gun-hee intervenes in nominations, intervenes in personnel affairs, or arrests me because there is some evidence that she asked for, I will release all the evidence, I will release it to the media. Nevertheless, I can resolve it through conversation again. I think he did things like giving a bottle and taking a leap forward, saying that he was joking.

[Anchor]
As a result, the leadership of the People's Power is even saying, "Quickly investigate and arrest them." Let's hear from Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member. Kim Jae-won, the supreme council member, has expressed that he is an unprecedented and charlatan, so if there are any issues to investigate, what is there? What should we look into?

[Jungwook Seo]
There's something big that's revealed right now. There is no special intervention in nomination, but there are money transactions that lend money and receive half of the salary. It's to that extent whether this was illegally funded by political funds, but he said he received another loan. So I'm not swayed by the prosecution. Perhaps quickly, the prosecution will investigate according to the principle. After that, Myung Tae-kyun keeps saying things like this, even if it's an exaggeration or joke, so the public sees him as a strange person. You should refrain from making such remarks. The prosecution investigates quickly.

[Anchor]
Those who think CEO Han Dong-hoon is also involved, should explain it confidently and honestly. I said, "Wouldn't it be a pathetic party that is swayed by political brokers?" But if the disclosure continues, the truth in it can be hidden and the core can be hidden. What part of the controversy should be at the core of Myung Tae-kyun's controversy?

[Lee Seung Hoon]
In the end, with the evidence that Myung Tae-kyun has, the presidential office or Kim Gun-hee intervened in state affairs and intervened in nominations, and I think these issues are the key. In addition, the opinion poll was distorted during the presidential election process, and the distorted cost was about 370 million won, and it seems to be a problem whether it was reported to Yoon Suk Yeol and approved. In the end, the problem is that the people have too little authority over the president now. You always seem to have Kim Dae-nam, a charlatan, and Myung Tae-kyun, a charlatan, by your side, while dismissing him as a charlatan. In that respect, I would like to say that the authority of the presidential office has declined and the sigh of the people is increasing.

[Anchor]
Perhaps the suspicion of Myung Tae-kyun will become an issue in the National Audit Office, but let's see what substantive stories will come out. This has been lawyer Seo Jeong-wook and lawyer Lee Seung-hoon. Thank you.