Is Lee Jae-myung a priest of God?Some people are talking about "Post Lee Jae-myung".

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■ Starring: Jang Ye-chan, Supreme Council Member of the People's Power, Kim Sang-il, Current Affairs Critic

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[Anchor]
Political commentary with a living angle, let's start at the minute. Today, we have Jang Ye-chan, the supreme council member of the People's Power, and Kim Sang-il, two current affairs critics. Welcome. Please show us the first keyword. Rep. Lee Hae-sik of the Democratic Party compared representative Lee Jae-myung to a priest of God. The post on social media has become quite big.

I'll explain what it's about while looking at the graphic. Rep. Lee Hae-sik. Representative Lee Jae-myung posted a picture of him speaking at the rally in the rain. Underneath it is the movie Gladiator 2, The gladiator. These people who post two pictures together and try to become better human beings are the priests of God and the servants of God. I posted something like this.

After the controversy over whether he was deified, Lee was found guilty of something he didn't even say, but I guess I'm also criticized for something I didn't even say. I posted something like this. I have never mentioned Lee as a priest of God, a servant of God in the sense mentioned by several reporters. I just quoted the text.

I refuted it like this. Rep. Lee Hae-sik, so the priest of God, is not what I said, but this is a metaphor. I protested like this, but this is not deified. Is this what you're saying? What do you think?

[Jang Yechan]
Still, since he is a priest of God, the fact that he used this expression as a metaphor itself seems to be an excessive confession of loyalty to representative Lee Jae-myung. Of course, I don't mean to ask the Democratic Party of Korea politicians to comfort and encourage Chairman Lee Jae-myung. That's possible. However, if the metaphor is far from the universal sentiment of the people, it makes viewers frown.

One of the most famous proverbs in society makes so-called pa-ga-ga-ga. To put it simply, what's wrong with people watching because of the excessive fan club's fan sentiment? Making it anti-aircraft while doing it has become an adage that began in the entertainment industry and now applies to the political world.

The leadership of both parties has fandom. Representative Lee Jae-myung or representative Han Dong-hoon. However, it seems necessary to keep in mind that when the fandom or politicians pay too much praise to their representatives and leaders or support them with colorful rhetoric, the universal public is more likely to develop negative perceptions even if they have little feelings.

[Anchor]
I didn't say that I was a priest of God, but if you look at the picture and post of that gladiator, does it mean that the gladiator and CEO Lee Jae-myung look alike?

[Kim Sang Il]
It's related to the photo, and then you said you quoted it. Then, you should also tell me the purpose and reason for the citation. Why did you quote me? You have to tell them that so that the people and reporters might have misunderstood. You admit that it was like that, but when you criticize others without anything like that, do you say that I had this intention when I only quoted? You can't say it like this. Why?

That's because the people who saw it and recognized it recognized it that way. Then you have to tell me if that perception is wrong, and the second is what this is for, or for whom, did you post this? Did you post this for the people? I don't think so.

Did you post it for CEO Lee Jae-myung? I don't think that's the case either. Why? Is this helpful to CEO Lee Jae-myung? Is it helpful for the trial? What can I do for you? Or will it help the supporters? I think this was posted for myself. He posted it to be applauded and cheered by the strong support group.

[Anchor]
Isn't it trying to symbolize CEO Lee Jae-myung's image as an image like a gladiator?

[Kim Sang Il]
So if you say yes, supporters already have that image. If the middle class tries to give such an image, they are very likely to hate it and be annoyed. And the other side is likely to criticize, saying, "Look at this." Then I don't know what this purpose is, but you'll be misunderstood. How? Oh, you can be misunderstood as saying that you expect CEO Lee Jae-myung to be eliminated in advance, and that you are trying to use the supporters when you are going to do one thing or one place. That's what I think.

[Anchor]
In the case of former lawmaker Kim Byung-wook, Rep. Lee Hae-sik is not just a single lawmaker, but a chief of staff, so he recognized the true nature of representative Lee Jae-myung after every move.

[Jang Yechan]
Former lawmaker Kim Byung-wook is also known as a close aide to Lee Jae-myung because he was a politician in Seongnam. Even if we talk about that, we should purify it with words that fit the people's sentiment. In addition, politicians who are far from Lee Jae-myung, who are not pro-Myeonggye, found out that it was very good, and he was a good person. The effect is doubled when people say that Lee Jae-myung's aides recognized Lee Jae-myung as a priest of God, a servant of God, and a true face, and not many people will hear it right away.

It's the same if you change it to remuneration. It's easy to see the things that his aides, their relatives, and these people are complimenting their leaders. However, politicians who fawn are also criticized by the people, but politicians who are subject to fawning also lose their points from the people even if they stay still.

Conservative and progressive politicians should think of that in a balanced way, but after Lee Jae-myung's imprisonment in the first trial, many Democratic Party members and Lee Jae-myung's supporters are angry. That's why I won't leave a pro-Moon or a non-lawmaker alone, and I'll find out. As such excessive remarks are made, I think it is a happening created by this impatience that I can continue to be supported by party members only when I compete for loyalty within the pro-Myeong community as a reaction to it.

[Anchor]
If you stand out like that at times like this, don't you definitely get points from your supporters?

[Jang Yechan]
Even if it makes the general middle class or the people a little frowned upon, it can be scored by the strong supporters. That's why I think our politics should think about institutional improvement to prevent a small number of strong supporters or fandom from influencing internal elections and various politics.

[Anchor]
Rep. Choi Min-hee said, "If the screaming world moves, I will come forward and kill you. He used such violent expressions, but he admitted that he received a lot of calls from reporters today.

[Kim Sang Il]
I think it's right to say that I did well when I acknowledged it. But anyway, this atmosphere itself is something that I've been thinking a lot about these days. Each job exists. But when it comes to doing that job, work ethics is like life. So what is the ethics of politics now? Is it a work ethic to take my interests and power by fawning over a high man? I don't think so.

So these days, all jobs have lost their work ethic and are becoming business. It's a pity that I think it's becoming my business. If Rep. Lee Hae-sik saw this article by former Rep. Kim Byung-wook, he saw the true face of Representative Lee Jae-myung. Then you should be angry about this, too. That's not what I meant. What's wrong with you? You have to say it like this. Isn't it so? You said it didn't mean that.

But we can't talk about this. That's what it means. So I was grateful that former Supreme Court Jang Ye-chan said earlier that conservatives and progressives are doing it, but I'm criticizing our party now, but the conservatives are not easy. There is no work ethic on either side.

The conservatives now go to the president and the first lady, then the progressives go to the party leader. Instead of doing this, I want to restore work ethics for the people.

[Anchor]
On the surface, the competition for loyalty among the relatives is noticeable, but there will also be such a move under the leadership of the party, and there are such analyses in the political circle. Let's hear what's being said.

[Shin Ji-ho / Secretary-General of the People's Power Strategy Planning Department (KBS 'Absolute Shooting'): I'm pretty much at the peak last Saturday. (The number of people participating in the rally will decrease? Isn't it a political party that is now unified under the name of one's own name? Still, Lee Jae-myung's leadership will not be easily shaken. However, even within the lawmakers, I pretend to be my real name during the day and I am agitated at night. I think the number of 'Jumyeong Yadong' lawmakers will increase more and more. On the 25th, perjury teacher, I believe you're going to be sentenced to prison, but I don't think you're going to be in court.I expect that he will be sentenced to prison anyway, but what the so-called "Jumyeong Yadong" lawmakers say is that "Representative Lee Jae-myung is so sorry, but the party should still live." ]

[Kwon Sung-dong / Member of the People's Power (CBS 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): If you look at the Democratic Party of Korea, there are about 60 people wearing so-called parliamentary badges due to their relationship with Lee Jae-myung. So it's a whole core group of pro-Mingye forces. There will be many politicians who have been forced to bow to Lee Jae-myung. Because of the Democratic Party's nomination. If that happens, there are other anti-heroes. I'm holding my breath now, but by then, the Democratic Party's internal strife will intensify, and I've been watching since the sentencing of the remittance case to North Korea. ]

[Anchor]
It's my real name during the day, but I'll move at night. a master's house Even these new words are coming out now, but do you think there will be a movement after the first trial of the perjury teacher case under the Democratic Party?

[Jang Ye-chan]
You must have a lot of worries. A heavy sentence is also expected in perjury teachers, but since the Public Official Election Act also gave a suspended sentence to prison, the psychological shock wave is much greater even if it is a relative than if it is just a fine of 150 or 200. However, I think it takes a little more time to put this out of my mouth and do some group action.

If you move hastily under the current situation, you will become the right-hand man of Kim Min-seok, the current chief of the Democratic Party, and Lee Jae-myung. Didn't this person go to candidate Chung Mong-joon during the unification of former President Roh Moo Hyun and live a wild life for nearly 20 years?

So, there is rather anxiety that he could become the second Kim Min-seok, so for the time being, there will be excessive competition for loyalty to Lee Jae-myung on the surface like Rep. Lee Hae-sik. However, you can't help but discuss the next alternative at a meal, a drinking party, or a private space where they meet.
But wouldn't this be the time when the Public Official Election Act is in full swing and some kind of influence is revealed from then on if the Public Official Election Act still shows the loss of parliamentary seats in the second trial? However, the second trial doesn't take as long as the first trial, but in my opinion, it will be confirmed within six months at the most.

So, by the end of the first half of next year, it is expected that the Democratic Party of Korea will have a full-fledged division of power.

[Anchor]
It's hard to come out in the media and talk openly about it, but isn't it possible for the Democratic Party members to personally express their anxiety at a meal or something like this? How do you see that?

[Kim Sang Il]
This is what I think is not the case yet. We're going to the wilderness. Then there's something I need. You need a direction to move. It's a big flag that can show that direction. So if there is a politician who becomes a flag, he moves in that direction. Or if you have a compass yourself, you move if you have political beliefs, political ethics, and courage. But both of these are missing.

So there is no alternative politician to be a flag. Second, I think they lack political ethics and beliefs and are cowardly. So how do you move? And you'll be afraid to talk about that with the person next to you. If you say this wrong now and it becomes known somewhere, if someone like Myung Tae-kyun records it and opens it. You'll be very scared. It's not easy to move now.

It's going to be complicated in your head. However, the atmosphere of the Democratic Party is not easy to talk to anyone, and I think this is the atmosphere of the Democratic Party. However, as Representative Kwon Sung-dong said, the trial continues, and after the second trial, we will move a little. It's because the situation is fixed, isn't it? If it becomes fixed, we can't do it in a situation where we can't move, so shouldn't we make another alternative in that situation anyway? I'm sure you'll be talking about this.

[Anchor]
It is said that it came out stronger than expected in the first trial, but the reason why the Democratic Party of Korea is not shaken like this is that the leadership of Lee Jae-myung is so solid.

[Jang Yechan]
However, the question is whether or not it will help the Democratic Party in the long run to not be shaken despite the fact that it came out in the first trial. After that, it may be a strategy to stabilize the Democratic Party of Korea in the short term and not to break the bowl in a crisis, but it may be a condition where the water temperature continues to rise and the situation is left to deteriorate slowly like a frog in it.


If you think about Plan B quickly and argue about and verify various candidates within the Democratic Party, there is a big gateway to the next presidential election and local elections before the presidential election. Unfortunately, however, we cannot rule out the possibility of a final ruling on Lee Jae-myung's election law just before the next local election.

This is because Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Cho Eui-dae officially sent an official letter not to delay the trial schedule. Then, the Democratic Party of Korea may make another mistake of sending Han Dong-hoon to verify who will hold the local election and choose the representative like roasting beans in a lightning bolt. Rather an early concern about Plan B. Is Kim Boo-kyum better, Kim Dong-yeon better, or Kim Kyung-soo better?

So we'll filter out those who can't. That's how you can put out a competitive person as a sign. Right now, the solidification of the Lee Jae-myung system helps the Democratic Party to stabilize.When I look at the local elections or the next presidential election, I think it will have a bad effect in the long run.

[Anchor]
I didn't even ask you a question, but CEO Han Dong-hoon criticizes it.

[Jang Yechan]
To be fair, we should make criticisms that criticize both the ruling and opposition parties.

[Anchor]
I see. You're claiming that you made a fair review. Anyway, it's also important what kind of path CEO Lee Jae-myung should choose for himself. Rep. Park Ji-won said, "Go the DJ's way." What path do you want me to take?

[Kim Sang Il]
That's what I'm saying. I don't understand what Rep. Park Ji-won is talking about these days. For example, what did you do as a DJ? When he apologized to the people or had to take some responsibility, he stepped down or retired, and then saw the opportunity again and did the politics of resurrection there. Then, even if it is sacrificed through self-sacrifice, the people should revive the politics, but that's not what representative Lee Jae-myung's politics is like now.

As you said earlier, what can be called leadership is very solid. Then there are the surrounding environmental factors that make it solid. What's that? The power of the Yoon Suk Yeol regime and the people is too strong right now. From the public's point of view, the Democratic Party of Korea is in pain, but there is still no power over there, so whether it is disciplined or responsible, it is bound to lose.

But on the side with power, they block and cover it up with their own power. So does this really increase the possibility of political change? If you don't raise it, Lee Jae-myung's system will continue to be solid. Until the judiciary made it completely impossible. Second, public support.

If the public's support is then, should we go with the people's power just because representative Lee Jae-myung has been sentenced to the first trial? That's not true. As I said earlier, if you think there is a problem with equity, you can just go with the status quo. There may be a little bit of sympathy in the inner circle and come closer to the Democratic Party.

What will happen if that happens? Then, as I said earlier, CEO Lee Jae-myung has no choice but to continue this situation with that leadership.

[Anchor]
"Will he be able to become a DJ model?" Rep. Park Ji-won said, "There is nothing to be afraid of criticizing BTS. Trump has lived and DJ has lived, right? Representative Lee Jae-myung also insists that we can push ahead and spread the rally further and bring down the Yoon Suk Yeol regime.

[Jang Yechan]
It's all good, but I hope you don't talk about President-elect Trump. How bad would President Trump feel, regardless of domestic politics, that could worsen the Korea-U.S. relationship? However, the key problem is that President Trump has just been indicted in the United States, but the case is a little different from the case where his brother was confirmed like representative Lee Jae-myung. And in the case of Representative Lee Jae-myung, the pace of the sentence being confirmed at the trial is much faster than President Trump was indicted and tried by the Biden administration's special counsel ahead of the U.S. presidential election.

The term of office of the Yoon Suk Yeol government is still two and a half years away, and if it's two and a half years, it's the embezzlement of corporate cards that Lee Jae-myung was indicted today, as well as the Public Official Election Act, which was sentenced to the first trial and the perjury teacher on the 25th. Two and a half years until this trial is actually enough time for the third trial to come out. That's why that comparison doesn't fit.

I understand the agony of Democratic politicians that we should maintain a single confrontation now.Ma, as I said earlier, if you don't think about Plan B behind the scenes from now on, the worst situation of holding a presidential election could happen.

I think Park Ji-won, a 9th grader in politics, is the first person to think about who is the alternative to Lee Jae-myung more than anyone else, even if he talks about DJing in front of him. The time it comes up to the surface is only after the second trial we mentioned, so I think everyone is busy tapping the calculator down there.

[Kim Sang Il]
I think Park Ji-won can talk about President Trump because he is an opposition party, because he is not a ruling party. But I don't think you should talk about DJs. Did the DJ try to break through and pull everything down with his power unconditionally? It's rather insulting to the person you were serving.

[Anchor]
Below the surface, some in the media and political circles have already mentioned post-Lee Jae-myung. Let's hear what's being said in politics.

[Cho Eung-cheon / General Special Adviser of the New Reform Party (Yesterday, SBS's 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show') : I don't think 3 Kims or anything like that will be considered in the first place. A person who made a dot on Lee Jae-myung went up, so many people are standing next to him saying "father." ]

[Kim Geun-sik / Former Director of Vision Strategy (Yesterday, CBS 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): Chung Chung-rae, Choo Mi-ae, Kim Min-seok, why are these people overreacting? From what I can see, while the trial was going on a year or a half ago, Jung Chung-rae, Choo Mi-ae, and Kim Min-seok. In particular, the reason why Kim Min-seok is overreacting because he came out so recently is simple. I'm going to take the post Lee Jae-myung. ]

[Anchor]
We introduced it to you yesterday, but it's not 3 seaweed. Cho Eung-cheon, a former lawmaker, said, "I'm a person who made a mole on Lee Jae-myung." How did you hear that?

[Kim Sang Il]
That won't be easy. Rather, I think it would be more correct to express Lee Jae-myung as a person who is selected.

[Anchor]
Who would you choose? Should I choose my own name?

[Kim Sang Il]
But I think CEO Lee Jae-myung is very smart. That's why I think there's a high possibility that your real names are doing that for themselves, not for themselves, but for themselves who are talking. That's why you should think about it. If you're doing it for yourself, whether you're out there persuading one more person, meeting one more reporter, or running around harder to get information, you're going to do something very dedicated, and you're going to go out to the square and do something like that. Would he do something like that to gain popularity and attract other people's attention so easily?

I think you'll think like this. I came out on YTN last Friday and said what Professor Kim Geun-sik said. I said that it's better to be careful because other people might misunderstand it like that, but there are a lot of people who misunderstand right now. Professor Kim Geun-sik said that, and I saw that lawmaker Kim Young-tae also said that on a certain broadcast today, but since there will be many people who will misunderstand like that, I hope that we can take a really dedicated step again by thinking about what is really for the representative Lee Jae-myung and the people.

[Anchor]
Do you think the names mentioned are far away?

[Kim Sang Il]
In my view, the names mentioned are doing their own business because I think they are more livelihood or business-type than work ethics, as I said earlier.

[Anchor]
Anyway, Professor Kim Geun-sik mentioned names such as Chung Chung-rae, Chu Mi-ae, and Kim Min-seok, but I think Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, will be disappointed.

[Jang Yechan]
Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, worked hard for Lee Jae-myung. However, the key is not individuals such as Chung Chung-rae, Choo Mi-ae, and Kim Min-seok, but whether Lee Jae-myung's successor is a real name or a scream seems to be the key. As former lawmaker Cho Eung-cheon and former chief of staff Kim Geun-sik say, if a new alternative emerges within the pro-Myeong community in a way that selects Lee Jae-myung's successor, it would be completely appreciated from the perspective of the people's power or conservative camp. In fact, there will be people who are less united or less recognized than representative Lee Jae-myung while taking the risk of representative Lee Jae-myung as it is.

However, there may be some controversy or pain within the party, but if the so-called three prime ministers or three new leaders, who have this color of screams, become an alternative to Lee Jae-myung, the color of the Democratic Party itself will naturally change to the center. Since it is burdensome for the people's power and the conservative camp, it is natural and fair for Lee Jae-myung to not run in the next presidential election and the judicial risk to be confirmed, but politically, it makes way for a stronger candidate from the people's power and conservative camp.

In fact, according to an editorial in a conservative weekly or conservative daily newspaper, there is a negative outlook that no matter who the Democratic Party of Korea puts forward after Lee Jae-myung, the power of the people will be difficult next time. Therefore, Kim Min-seok and Choo Mi-ae may be the goals of their relatives to raise successors of the same color within the pro-Myeong community, but on the contrary, it helps conservatives and even if the color of the Democratic Party changes completely, if people who are far from Lee Jae-myung, such as the three prime ministers and Shin 3 Kim, appear as alternatives, the Democratic Party of Korea can criticize that even if it is noisy, it will be a much bigger burden and a scary opponent for the conservative camp in the long run.

[Anchor]
Anyway, right now, the Democratic Party is united. Representative Lee Jae-myung, Secretary-General of the Democratic Party of Korea Kim Yoon-deok said this ahead of the appeal trial. We will respond at the party level from the appeal trial. That's what I said. Let's take a look at the graphic. This means that Lee Jae-myung's trial will now consider supporting the party's lawyers.

If the first trial is confirmed, the Democratic Party of Korea itself has to return a considerable amount of money to the national treasury, so this is the party's job, not Lee Jae-myung's. So he expressed his position that he would take legal action by taking more direct measures.

[Kim Sang Il]
But at first glance, I think that's a reasonable thing to say. And since it's a fight through legal principles in court anyway, just because the party is coming forward, there won't be much reversal or big impact. It's just going to be like this. It means that the sugar party is trying to prevent damage to the sugar anyway. From the perspective of party leader Lee Jae-myung, wouldn't this aspect of cost be very helpful?

So I don't think that moving like that is such a reprehensible situation in the current situation. Why? It's actually damaging to the sugar. Therefore, in the end, I don't think there is much to criticize because it is the level of cost reduction for representative Lee Jae-myung, and the level of efforts to defend against damage.

[Anchor]
However, some experts questioned whether this would be embezzlement because it would be an individual's defense. How do you see this?

[Jang Yechan]
Of course, there is such a problem. If you look at the cases in which politicians were severely guilty, there are quite a few cases related to the payment of lawyers' fees. Former President Lee Myung Bak also suffered from such suspicions. In the case of representative Lee Jae-myung, when he was governor of Gyeonggi-do in the past, suspicions of violating the Public Official Election Act and paying for lawyers followed like a tag.
But will the party officially support lawyers this time? We need to see if this is a legal problem, but will this help us both judicially and politically? Right now, major Democratic politicians are pouring out extreme words toward the judiciary. He is a slave of the regime, and he doesn't hesitate to make such remarks, but he is not willing to help the court, which is trying to judge independently from the separation of powers, and it may have a more negative impact on the sentencing of the second trial or other trials. In fact, the party did not officially launch the first trial. What is there that Lee Jae-myung did not help?

But the secretary-general will step up and the party will do the second trial itself? I think it's an act that doesn't help politically and judicially. What will happen if the result is bad until the second trial?}There is a high possibility that the people will perceive it as the guilty of the Democratic Party, not the guilty of Lee Jae-myung. So, the Democratic Party itself should help Chairman Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks even if it is as small as a blank sheet, but if the party is guilty, the aftermath will probably grow even more when it is recognized as the Democratic Party's guilty, not Lee Jae-myung's.

[Kim Sang Il]
I have no choice but to object to it because if it can be so disadvantageous, you shouldn't hold the party accountable. The party is responsible for the presidential candidate, so the party is responsible for it. So, if the damage of 43.4 billion won comes to the party, we have to make efforts to prevent it for the party members and the party. Of course, if you pay for CEO Lee Jae-myung's personal lawyer, that will be a problem, but in my view, I can do it as much as I want by forming a defense team to assist him, help him, strengthen the law, and do these things. That's why I think that's why I'm holding the party accountable.

[Anchor]
Anyway, more involvement shows the party's determination to take more responsibility now.

[Kim Sang Il]
But if there's political pressure going in there, or if there's money going into mobilizing people for other forms of work, or if you're going to participate in that way, I think that's problematic.

[Anchor]
Anyway, we looked at the somewhat restless Democratic atmosphere. The Democratic Party of Korea released additional recordings regarding the controversy over the intervention of Myung Tae-kyun's nomination. Let's look at the second keyword. This time, Yoon Han-hong's name came out. I stopped Yoon Han-hong from being chief of staff. I said it and blocked it. Myung Tae-kyun's transcript was released. How did you see this context?

[Jang Yechan]
First of all, as someone who knows well about that time, I don't even pray. In the case of lawmaker Yoon Han-hong, I was the head of the youth communication TF at the transition committee with me, and lawmaker Yoon Han-hong was in charge of the relocation TF of Cheong Wa Dae. And as Representative Kwon Sung-dong said in detail in a radio interview this morning, from the beginning, the president-elect's chief of staff was actually organized by Representative Jang Je-won.

Rep. Yoon Han-hong never said he would be the chief of staff, and the president-elect's chief of staff was Jang Je-won, so there was no room for Myung Tae-kyun's advice or intervention. Even so, Rep. Yoon Han-hong couldn't take a heavy responsibility? The two TFs on the transition committee are the Youth TF and the Presidential Office relocation TF, what projects were as big at the beginning of the Yoon Suk Yeol administration as opening up the Blue House and relocating the Presidential Office to Yongsan?

In a way, Rep. Yoon Han-hong was in charge of a big project that was at stake in the beginning of the administration, but he did not become the chief of staff, but as Myung Tae-kyun said, if Rep. Yoon Han-hong was abandoned because of him, he would not be able to take on such an executive role.

But didn't you accomplish your mission by taking on the role of the executive who gets more attention than anyone else? So, based on his personal connections from the center and his friendship before the presidential election, it's all just a one-sided statement from Myung Tae-kyun that he just talked about absurd exaggerations to local politicians. Except for the May 9th call, which the Democratic Party of Korea first unveiled, no one is important to the opponent.

So, does a recording of a phone call talking to himself get this much attention? I can affirm that there are so many blusterful things about this.

[Anchor]
They say they are blusterful stories, but among them, there seems to be a content to the effect that First Lady Kim Gun-hee originally hates Representative Yoon Han-hong, is that true?

[Jang Yechan]
I don't think it's true. And Myung Tae-kyun's foundation for his activities is Gyeongsangnam-do. As a result, he must have checked and criticized lawmaker Yoon Han-hong, who played an important role in close proximity to the president while serving as a lawmaker twice in Gyeongnam, and gossiped around him because of his personal greed. In the process, it seems most accurate to say that Myung Tae-kyun was selling off the unconfirmed intentions of the President and First Lady Kim Gun-hee.

[Anchor]
Rep. Kwon Sung-dong also explained this in a media interview this morning. Let's listen to it.

[Kwon Seong-dong / Member of the People's Power (CBS 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): It was held on March 9th, 2022 and confirmed on March 10th. Representative Jang Je-won already came to me and Representative Yoon Han-hong a week before the election because he wanted to be the president-elect's chief of staff, so he came to see me. So I was like that then. I am satisfied with the change of government. I called Representative Yoon Han-hong on the spot and asked him. "Do you have any intention of joining the transition team?" "I don't have any intention of joining the transition team because I'm the chief of staff." (Did you say you don't have any intention of joining the transition team? ) They said they don't have any. When President Yoon Suk Yeol was a preliminary candidate, lawmaker Yoon Han-hong told candidate Yoon, "It's better not to be close to Myung Tae-kyun." Then, the next day, Myung Tae-kyun received a phone call from Representative Yoon Han-hong asking, "Why are you denigrating me?" and "Why are you criticizing me?" So Myung Tae-kyun has very bad feelings about Representative Yoon Han-hong. ]

[Anchor]
So the point that the Democratic Party of Korea points out is that Myung Tae-kyun said he couldn't be a lawmaker Yoon Han-hong, and Kim Gun-hee told the Yoon Suk Yeol's president-elect that it was done.

[Kim Sang Il]
The essence is not whether it was right or wrong as a result of what Myung Tae-kyun said. In the process, the fact that there was an exchange with the characters who appeared in the middle process, which was right and wrong, raises great suspicion among the people. Then look at it now. He said he went to lawmaker Yoon Han-hong and asked why he disparaged me.

The people's power is so strong that it's not even possible, and a person who says he is an election broker went to lawmaker Yoon Han-hong, a powerful figure, and asked why he disparaged me. How would the people perceive this? Second, Rep. Yoon Han-hong told the president. Who delivered it to Myung Taekyun?

What's the public's perception? Wouldn't you think of this again? I'd like to say that we can never solve this problem in a way that keeps changing words and avoiding them, only if we explain those things and make efforts to resolve this suspicion.

[Anchor]
How would you explain that?

[Jang Yechan]
If you're in politics, when you run for president, there's a lot of controversy over who commented to whom and who said something bad. And if you're close to the president, you'll be checked by someone who's in the middle of a conversation like me, and if someone says bad things about me, it's delivered in real time through reporters and politicians.

So, the fact that Myung Tae-kyun asked Representative Yoon Han-hong does not mean that the issue was passed on from President Yoon Suk Yeol or First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Myung Taekyun is a good phone caller. You don't call Representative Yoon Han-hong because you have a great campaign, but you just call all the numbers of Kim Jae-won, the Supreme Council member, and the broadcast panel politicians who speak badly to you recently, and get angry.

I'm the type to call even if I don't answer the phone. What kind of power did he have at that time? However, I don't think there is any evidence or statement that could change my mind because I have never been influenced by Kang Myung-koo, then head of the schedule team, or Myung Tae-kyun, who became a member of the National Assembly now, as well as me, who was in charge of the entire presidential schedule from the beginning, or that he exercised any privileges.

[Anchor]
I think Myung Tae-kyun should be careful, was it right that lawmaker Yoon Han-hong told the then-elect of Yoon Suk Yeol?

[Jang Yechan]
That's what I know. To tell you the inside story clearly, although Myung Tae-kyun was close to Chairman Kim Jong-in and Representative Lee Joon-seok, former Representative Kim Young-sun is among the key figures who recommended Myung Tae-kyun to President Yoon Suk Yeol. There is also former lawmaker Cho Hae-jin.

So, since influential politicians in Gyeongnam introduce a person named Myung Tae-kyun as competent, it is of course a guarantee of identity from the president's point of view. So there must have been some relationships in the early days. However, when Yoon Han-hong, a much more reliable lawmaker, said that he was dangerous, and Myung Tae-kyun gave advice that went too far in the party's primary, the president clearly cut off him from calling or texting just before the primary.

However, from the family's point of view, I just managed it because I shouldn't have anyone upset. I'm telling you that's a fact I heard directly from key officials I know.

[Kim Sang Il]
But you keep talking about too subjective things and you have to explain things that the listeners can understand, but I don't think that's enough. Why? The president didn't talk about this much with Myung Tae-kyun from the beginning, as much as Jang Ye-chan was the best. The people didn't think there would be this relationship because they just cut it off, but this relationship came out.

In other words, many people recognize that the president lied. And there are a lot of people on the power side of the people who know it but think they lied because they condoned it or sympathized with it. But it's really ridiculous for the people to say that it doesn't make sense to think like this because you didn't have information in advance.

The responsible side should have made efforts in the past to prevent the people from being deceived by a person named Myung Tae-kyun or from trusting him or her, and should have done so when this happened to some extent. That's a responsible attitude. Without doing such a thing, now all of this is to blame for pollack bacteria. And it's not right for those of you who believe in Myung Tae-kyun's words to say, "Are you doing something that makes sense?"

[Anchor]
In any case, additional recordings of Myung Tae-kyun keep coming out, but he is in custody, so he can't confirm his position, so we'll wait and see. They were Jang Ye-chan, the supreme council member of the People's Power, and Kim Sang-il, two current affairs critics. Thank you.