Boo Seung-chan said, "Emergency martial law, I can't see Kim Yong-hyun's meticulousness.尹 There must have been a request."

- No one who suffered a finger fracture in the process of entering the National Assembly
- Special Forces 707 soldiers at the entrance of the National Assembly headquarters
- Soldiers attempt to enter the National Assembly {Why should I do this?}- Soldiers are not active
- 尹 'declared martial law', improvised, emotional, accidental
- 尹, angry testimony to the Joint Chiefs of Staff
- 'Can't I take control of the National Assembly?'- '尹 martial law' Kim Yong-hyun's meticulousness is not shown

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: December 4, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Rep. Boo Seung-chan of the Democratic Party of Korea

- Martial law at the level of amateurism
- Defense Minister's suggestion? There must have been a request for 尹
- all members of the State Council expressed their opinions. Already 'vegetative government'
- 尹 would have seen the 'learning effect' through this martial law
- 尹 couple dancing on a stick
- The possibility of passing the impeachment motion is quite high

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

◇ Shin Yul: Shin Yul's News Head-to-head Match Part 2 begins. It's a face-to-face interview. Today's meeting is lawmaker Bu Seung-chan of the Democratic Party of Korea. I'm on the phone right now. How are you, Senator?

◆Boo Seung-chan: Yes. How are you?

◇Credit: You couldn't sleep last night, right?

◆Boo Seung-chan: Yes, that's right. The Democratic Party of Korea is in an emergency situation, so the plenary session will be divided into three groups.

◇Criticism: You're defending it.

◆Boo Seung-chan: Yes, yes.

◇Credibility: I couldn't sleep at all yesterday either.

◆ Bu Seung-chan: This was a national emergency.

◇ Shin Yul: But yesterday, the deputy committee member also attended the vote, right? Did you enter the main gate through the door? Or did you go over the wall?

◆Boo Seung-chan: No, I just had the police open the door.

◇ Shin Yul: I'm going to ask you that, but in general, when we talked about martial law, the military or police surrounded the National Assembly completely and didn't allow it to enter, but the fact that they let them in was because the order didn't work well, or in other words, the military or police down there didn't agree with the legitimacy of martial law, so it moved but didn't move actively. Can it be interpreted as this?

◆Boo Seung-chan: I see that with my own eyes. Then, because I felt it with my chest, it was very difficult for me to come in, of course. As a result, there are some people who have fractured their fingers, some who have been bruised, and some lawmakers who have been injured while crossing the National Assembly wall. But in my case, I kept appealing to the police at the door and told the executives to hurry through the KBS door, so I went in. He told me to hurry up and go in. Then, at the entrance of the main office, the Special Task Force 707 soldiers made many attempts to enter the main office. But the fact that they are special leases is the pride of our special forces, which play a very key role. It's the pride of the special forces, but I could see that they were quite loose and relaxed. I didn't see why I had to do this, and of course, the arrest team were quite aggressive in breaking windows and stuff, but in that sense, when I entered, the soldiers gave up their way even in the face of confrontation.

◇Confident: But what do you think is the reason why President Yoon Suk Yeol declared emergency martial law?

◆Boo Seung-chan: I think it's for personal reasons. I don't know exactly.Rather than recognizing it as a national emergency, this martial law itself is quite spontaneous, emotional, and accidental in view of the ongoing procedures.

◇ Shin Yul: Are you saying that's a little clumsy?

◆Boo Seung-chan: That's right. And if you look at the martial law documents in 2017, we basically organize detailed units of the main zone mission zone. The Gwanghwamun area, Yongsan Station, and Sinchon areas, that is, all alley rallies to Yeouido, are blocked, the media is controlled, and such a systematic plan is carried out, and orders and credibility are checked for soldiers several times, and in the case of the Yeouido National Assembly, two battalions were required to enter the 2017 document.

◇Sinryul: Where are you?

◆Boo Seung-chan: It's the National Assembly. So it's supposed to be about two battalions, but the number of troops that came in has decreased to about two battalions.

◇ Shin Yul: Why did you do that?

◆Boo Seung-chan: Now that it was suddenly going on, I could see a section of it that was improvised.

◇ Shin Yul: Why did something happen all of a sudden yesterday? Why did I do that all of a sudden?

◆Boo Seung-chan: So even though it is an unconfirmed level of intelligence, there are testimonies everywhere that emotions are quite high starting with the fact that the president visited the Joint Chiefs of Staff and said, "Can't we take control of a single National Assembly?" And a spokesman for the Ministry of National Defense also explained that it was in accordance with the procedure, although the Minister of National Defense suggested it. And in the case of Minister Kim Yong-hyun, he is quite an operational expert and has a lot of precision in this operational aspect. As an operational commander, he was quite capable, so he was now the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff's operations division in charge of the operation. And from that point of view, he served as the commander of the 17th Division, which is a key defense of the metropolitan area, and from that point of view, he is a person who conducts fairly meticulous and systematic operations, but if you look at it now, you don't see that at all. It's just a martial law that's like a complete amateur just trying to fill the time. In other words, the procedure by order of the President is now at that level, and the President is now through a resolution at the Cabinet meeting at the recommendation of the Minister of Public Administration and Security or the Minister of National Defense under the Constitutional Amendment Act.

◇ Credit: It must be through deliberation by the State Council.

◆Boo Seung-chan: After all, the president is supposed to declare it through deliberation and immediately notify the National Assembly of the declared matters. Wasn't it suggested by the Minister of National Defense in order to follow these procedures?

◇ Shin Yul: So, in your opinion, Kim Yong-hyun said he would quit as defense minister, but anyway, the president was trying to declare an emergency martial law because he needed the procedure, not Kim Yong-hyun's suggestion to the president. Did you ask for help? Do you understand like this?

◆Boo Seung-chan: That's right. Under the Constitutional Amendment Act, the Minister of Defense and the Minister of Public Administration and Security are supposed to propose it.

◇Credibility: So you're saying that this is not what you suggested independently.

◆ Bu Seung-chan: That's how I look. If Minister Kim Yong-hyun suggested this, he would have been able to understand the current situation of the troops that can move. Then, there should be a minimum of containment operations on the outskirts of the National Assembly, and the National Assembly certainly can't come in from within.Under the law, it is not allowed to enter the National Assembly, but even after entering the National Assembly, the behavior of soldiers now showing martial law forces is quite loose, and I feel like we should do this. And then it was a situation where only about half the troops of one battalion came in, which was significantly reduced in size. So if Kim Yong-hyun had made the suggestion, he would have suggested it to the president at least a week or a few weeks ago, while maintaining some preparation for martial law to succeed through considerable preparation. However, it was not that, but because it was completely improvised, a spokesman suggested that the procedure was followed in the end. But follow this procedure,

◇ Credit: I would not have made the suggestion arbitrarily. You mean like this, right?

◆Boo Seung-chan: I used that expression. Rather than saying it's arbitrary, we can use that expression

◇ rate: I see. And as far as I remember, the martial law commander was originally the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but yesterday, the Army Chief of Staff became the martial law commander.

◆ Bu Seung-chan: Originally, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff had the right to control operations during normal times of the military, so of course, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has no choice but to have that authority when it comes to the movement of military units. However, in the past, the army chief served as martial law commander. The reason why he served as the martial law commander was that the Joint Chiefs of Staff did not exist at that time. It is a different concept from the past army chief because the Joint Chiefs of Staff was delegated to exercise the military authority at the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff following the defense reform during the Roh Tae-woo administration. As a result, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the supreme commander who exercises the military command, so the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff should be the commander of martial law, but the 2017 document also designated the army chief to still play the role of martial law commander.

◇Criticism: After the murder of former President Park Chung-hee, the martial law commander was also the army chief, right?

◆ Bu Seung-chan: The Joint Chiefs of Staff didn't exist then. The army chief had it. These things were transferred to the Joint Chiefs of Staff because of the law, like the Armed Forces Organization Act and the creation of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Since I came over, I should be the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is now in charge of the Navy. And looking at the situation in 2017, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff created the logic that the Army Chief was in charge of maintaining the readiness posture related to North Korea and preparing for provocation. So, this time, it is natural that the Joint Chiefs of Staff is the Navy and the desire for such martial law operations is low, so I think it was based on the judgment that it is advantageous for a former army officer to serve as martial law commander.

◇ Shin Yul: But in the process of declaring an emergency martial law this time. Given the situational justification and procedural justification in the process of declaring emergency martial law, I can see that the Korean Bar Association announced all the situational justification early this morning, but the procedural justification states in Article 77 (4) of the Constitution of the Republic of Korea that the National Assembly is to be notified immediately. What do you think about this part?

◆ Bu Seung-chan: First of all, I totally agree with the Korean Bar Association that the procedural justification was not observed at all. In fact, not complying with the procedures stipulated by any constitution is not fully mastered except for the deliberation of the State Council. So now...

◇ Credit: You mean you didn't even notify the National Assembly?

◆Boo Seung-chan: There was no notice.

◇ Shin-ryul: Did you check that?

◆Boo Seung-chan: You actually told me when you voted at the plenary session of the chairman's meeting.

◇Confident: In that sense, do you think it is possible to impeach President Yoon Suk Yeol?

◆Boo Seung-chan: I'm not talking about the possibility of impeachment. Since it has already violated the democratic constitutional order, I think it is right for the National Assembly to exercise its authority in accordance with the procedures prescribed by law rather than the possibility. It doesn't seem to matter whether impeachment is passed or not. The government has already become a plant government, hasn't it? Starting with the members of the State Council, the chiefs are now

◇ rate: You said you'd quit, so

◆Boo Seung-chan: He has expressed his intention to resign, and when we passed the resolution calling for lifting yesterday, all of his close lawmakers attended and participated again, which means that it was a martial law that violated the constitutional order. This is not a matter of whether it passes or not, but it raises a fundamental question of how to protect democracy, so I think we should look at it from that perspective.

◇ Credit: Including the Democratic Party's deputy. Do you think it's possible that the President of Yoon Suk Yeol will declare martial law once again?

◆Boo Seung-chan: I would have had a very good learning effect this time. The learning effect was well seen, and even the prime minister, who was opposed by the majority of the State Council members, opposed it, and many soldiers, as well as ministers of various ministries, are said to be angry. And while doing martial law this time, don't you do things like moving troops and stuff like that? If you look at the decree, the decree level was quite high. There were many expressions saying, "I'm going to punish you," but now it's been confirmed that no one has followed suit, except for very few troops, no one has properly carried out martial law missions, including civilian troops and police officers. So there is no additional martial law declaration. In addition, with all members of the State Council expressing their resignation, it can go through legal and institutional procedures again

◇Confidence: This is not a situation.

◆ Bu Seung-chan: There's a structural lack. That's why it's practically impossible to declare martial law in accordance with the procedure set by the law, and I think President Yoon Suk Yeol and First Lady Kim Gun-hee are dancing on the floor.

◇Sin rate: I see. You're holding an outdoor rally this weekend, right?

◆ So far, it's supposed to be done, but I don't know how much Democrats can participate in this situation as it's an emergency and we're guarding our plenary hall.Wouldn't Ma also have plans for an outdoor rally in the future? Until now, the plenary session has been divided into three groups, and Democratic lawmakers are keeping the plenary session hall 24 hours a day.

◇Credited: So the impeachment motion was introduced today and the motion will be voted on two days later. What do you expect to happen then?

◆ Bu Seung-chan: I don't know. If the impeachment motion is proposed, I think it's quite likely to pass. Now, with some authority of the administration and all of these things alive, of course, the opposition of the people's power is bound to be high. In the end, because the administration is alive, but now that the administration is dead and the presidential chiefs have offered to resign, what leads in the end is that there are no cases in which the government is led in a strange structure centered on the administrator, so we have no choice but to doubt whether we can lead this administration not only from the Democratic Party of Korea but also from the power of the people.

◇Credit: How did you look at the ruling party's reaction?

◆Boo Seung-chan: The ruling party's response is still to confrontation between pro- and pro-yoon circles, and floor leader Choo Kyung-ho and party leader Han Dong-won told them to gather at the National Assembly, but now floor leader Choo Kyung-ho has gone to the headquarters. And even if you're practically pro-Yoon-gye, you've already crossed that line. I'm still at the maximum level I can support the government. Since it has crossed a kind of red line, this is not a matter of voting for or against factions, but it depends on where the direction of the Republic of Korea is going, so it seems that a considerable number of people in the ruling party and lawmakers are thinking about it.

◇Sin rate: I see. Senator Boo, it's early in the morning. Thank you for your hard work.

◆Boo Seung-chan: Yes, I think it's something that we have to do.

◇SinYul: Yes, thank you. Thank you for your words today. Thank you. I was a member of the Democratic Party of Korea, Bo Seung-chan.