[News UP] 2nd attendance request not accepted...President Yoon, are you coming in today?

■ Host: Anchor Kim Jeong-jin, anchor Cho Jin-hyuk
■ Starring: Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, Lee Dong-hak, former member of the supreme council of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
Even yesterday, Christmas, the ruling and opposition parties continued a strong confrontation amid the impeachment. Let's take a look at the relevant content. Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and Lee Dong-hak, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea, came out. Welcome. Is the Supreme Council member's shoulder okay?

[Mobility]
It's getting better.

[Anchor]
Thank you both for coming out early in the morning. Let's start talking. President Yoon Suk Yeol and his wife reportedly worshiped quietly at their official residence on Christmas Eve. And on Christmas Day, he refused to comply with the summons of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. I should say that you were not expected to attend, right?

[Changgeun Lee]
That's right. It is expected that he will not attend in the future. Until last week, I thought that the process would be delayed because the defense team was not formed because President Yoon said he would follow the legal process on the show. Considering lawyer Seok Dong-hyun continuously briefs the media, it is difficult to attend without cooperating with the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit at a time when the prosecution's investigation has been transferred to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

And I think he's saying that he'll focus on the impeachment hearing. Looking at this, I don't think there will be any attendance. Didn't you say that the impeachment hearing situation is now considered to have been served even if the mail was not served by the Constitutional Court, and that the hearing process will go as scheduled on the 27th? Whether or not to attend there, I think we will have to wait and see.

[Anchor]
Then, you said that there will be no attendance in the future for non-attendance, but I wonder what the best Lee Dong-hak thinks. Do you think the third summons will be made in the future, and how do you see it?

[Mobility]
I called him twice at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Earlier, the prosecution called No. 1. So I didn't respond three times. And as far as I know, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is planning to call you one more time. In the process, I don't think I'll be present eventually. Because he sent a message to the nation saying he would fight until the end, he still doesn't know what he did wrong, and he doesn't seem to be willing to admit it. So I think I'll go with that attitude until the end. Next, you are breaking down the rule of law, justice, fairness, and common sense that you talked about.

So, the politics that he had been doing for two and a half years disappeared, and he tried to solve them only with judicial law. But the situation where nothing has been solved continues to be repeated. Rather, I think the public's resentment will increase even more in this process. So in the future, I think I will be punished even more for being a disgraceful crime.

[Anchor]
It is said that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will decide on future measures as early as today, so there could be a request for summons and there are talks about arrest warrants, and what position do you think the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will take?

[Changgeun Lee]
As Director Oh Dong-woon said at the National Assembly, the center of gravity is on the side of the third summons. However, I don't think it's good for the Democratic Party to pressure the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and use the status of lawmakers to pressure the investigative agencies. This is because representative Lee Jae-myung is also at the point of appointing a public defender at the High Court as he delays the election law trial. It is questionable whether the Democratic Party of Korea is prepared to correct this confusion for the sake of state affairs.

So, didn't you say that the role of the investigative agency will be left to the investigative agency, and Director Oh Dong-woon of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will thoroughly judge themselves? Then it's better to leave it to that, and the pressure posture is not good. The center of gravity belongs to the third summons, but if President Yoon Suk Yeol does not cooperate with the investigation after that, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will consider forced recruitment in its own way. At this point, in conclusion, the Democratic Party believes that it is no longer good to press.

[Anchor]
It is not good to press the investigative agencies. And you said there could be a solution for job openings, how did you hear this?

[Mobility]
I think it should be executed right away. Because it's been more than 15 days since what happened. And in fact, the commander level and the minister and these people are arrested, but the people underneath them are still very likely to destroy evidence. In particular, articles such as the president's recent phone call with someone continue to appear.

As a result, the investigative agency may be suspected by the public that it will intentionally create a hole to escape through such things as destroying evidence or kissing. In that respect, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has not been able to settle down until now, but in the face of this case, didn't they eventually take the prosecution's right to investigate because they asked for it? Then it's right to show a determined attitude and attitude. And it's going to have tremendous public support.
But in order to escape the suspicion that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is creating a hole that can continue to escape now, you have to go and arrest him right away with an arrest warrant.

[Anchor]
But if an arrest warrant comes out, President Yoon Suk Yeol wouldn't really want to be arrested like that, so only then can he try to adjust his attendance schedule. How do you see this?

[Mobility]
That could act as leverage. Otherwise, it really shouldn't happen because the security staff misunderstand their duties and try to prevent them, or it could be completely obstructing the execution of official duties and abusing their authority. Since the security service is not run with the people's tax to prevent such a thing, it seems that they are aware of that point, but if they try to prevent another one, the people can see very frowned upon. I think such branches should be notified well in advance by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. In the end, I think that President Yoon Suk Yeol's walking on his feet now is a situation in which he keeps his words and actions.

It is a great misfortune for the people diplomatically and nationally. It's a constitutional vacuum, and he said he would hide it at home and greet everything proudly, but he's doing the exact opposite of it, so I think the best picture is for the president to walk out.

[Anchor]
You said that the best is to delay the investigation, but the president is in a position to respond to the impeachment trial first. However, he did not meet the deadline for submitting data requested by the Constitutional Court. And they refuse to receive the documents. How do you see this?

[Changgeun Lee]
So it's true that the president is being criticized by public opinion and the media is seeing it badly. Regarding the impeachment hearing, there was also a content that the president would attend and speak publicly, but it is true that the current behavior is not very good. And there's that concern that the president could set a bad precedent. However, as he claimed, he said he would respond openly to the impeachment hearing, so I don't think he would respond.

However, what we are concerned about is that the impeachment hearing has been delayed without receiving documents, and it was already considered to have been served by the Constitutional Court's active interpretation, right? However, as I said earlier after the impeachment hearing, there may be delays in such cases if the agency requests data, hot witnesses, and witnesses are not present, even if the impeachment hearing begins. However, based on past cases and the way he has been drunk so far, he is actively administering it.

Therefore, in response to this delay, the Constitutional Court applies the Criminal Procedure Act to conduct an impeachment hearing, but there is no case that it must be followed. Therefore, I think the Constitutional Court will adjust these parts appropriately and quickly resolve the confusion in state affairs.

[Anchor]
Yoon's side is silent without a separate statement of position. It has been reported that we are considering making a position as early as today or related, so what position do you think you will make?

[Mobility]
I think the person who is now Yoon Suk Yeol must be very psychologically anxious. Because he must have made a national sadal now and then worked tirelessly to appoint lawyers. But a proper team of lawyers is not being made properly. Of course.

Because President Yoon Suk Yeol has been running the state administration in a way that does not accept all the advice and things like that from his aides in the end, and continues to maintain his stubbornness. As a result, both the aides and the ruling party of the People's Power were in a situation where they had to lie to the people under the order of the president. But the same goes for the lawyer. There is a very high possibility that the president will not accept it if the lawyers come in and give advice that they should admit it and apologize for it. Conversely, in order to defend President Yoon Suk Yeol, you have to find a lawyer who has no choice but to lie for the Yoon Suk Yeol nationally. But would that be possible in common sense? It's not possible. So I think there is a high possibility that I will send a message today that appeals to the supporters of such anxiety. It warns that it is the way to arouse more public resentment.

[Anchor]
I'll also listen to the chairman's outlook. Attention is focusing on the formation of the defense team and whether the president will attend the hearing tomorrow, so how do you predict it?

[Changgeun Lee]
The formation of the defense team should be quick, but it is not expected to be easy given that it is being delayed. Nevertheless, there should be many lawyers in each field, but I don't think we can just put forward the formation of a defense team as a reason for delay in a situation where we said we would take full responsibility and take legal responsibility.

Lawyer Seok Dong-hyun is also briefing the media in the form of an agent and creating public opinion, but if so, I think only lawyers Seok Dong-hyun and former Korea Communications Commission Chairman Kim Hong-il should work quickly. And we don't know if the message to the public is that the president is still denying reality, as the Democratic Party says.Ma is now focusing on the impeachment inquiry, regardless of everything, whether he will continue to delay or how he will deal with it in the future, which the people have suspicions about. I think we should focus on this direction.

However, I understand that there are some forces that support President Yoon Suk Yeol. They also argue that Representative Lee Jae-myung should not be allowed to violate the election law or because of various crimes, right? So, the last support, what will the President of Yoon Suk Yeol do in the future if their logic is to be established? I look forward to focusing more on this side and directing it.

[Anchor]
If you look at one more thing, it was reported that Rep. Park Ji-won recently received a proposal from President Yoon after the emergency martial law and refused it. If this is true, how do you see it and how to interpret it?

[Changgeun Lee]
I was also very puzzled when I saw the news. Because the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is currently suspended from office. But you want me to be prime minister? Do you want me to organize a cabinet reshuffle? This doesn't fit. Because the current acting prime minister is Han Deok-soo. If this was going to happen, it should have been done as a political act, with political responsibility, before it was impeached by the National Assembly. Now, such a thing has come out through the media, but it's not established. And what's more surprising is that Rep. Park Ji-won said she received a proposal on the 19th, right? Then, the day you were offered that day, it's a weekday that day. Or we can talk about it the next day. But why did they announce it at Christmas? This is also very questionable. The Democratic Party of Korea, including Rep. Park Ji-won, is also trying to stabilize the state affairs through the ruling-opposition-government consultative body, and they continue to know these parts if they are members of the National Assembly, which does not make sense. It was an article that really questioned whether Lee Jae-myung only dreamed of an early presidential election through the confusion of state affairs by continuing to use it strategically and politically.

[Anchor]
What do you think was the best intention?

[Mobility]
If this is true, it would be extremely inappropriate. Because during the president's two-and-a-half-year term, the opposition party was almost a criminal group, and we didn't actually talk, and we lost the general election, so we met once. The government has been running state affairs in a form that completely deceives the public's public sentiment, but now I propose a national cabinet? Of course, I think it's an inappropriate proposal. As CEO Park Ji-won said, this is not even the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, and then there is a businessman, but I don't think it's a proposal with any weight. And even if the weight is added, this kind of proposal cannot be made. Because in the end, will it be this proposal even if the opposition party proposes it after a consensus is reached in the prime minister or the ruling party?

But they pick up the prime minister of the national cabinet and propose it to one person? That is, of course, a proposal that is unacceptable to opposition forces. And isn't it formally impeached right now? That's why I don't think this should be discussed in any meaningful way because it is only seen as a trick to get out of the country now.

[Anchor]
Both of you said that it was a embarrassing proposal regarding the national cabinet. Let's also talk about former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun. The first lawyers will hold a press conference today. I'm interested in what kind of message I'll get. Could you give us a view of
first?

[Changgeun Lee]
In the case of former Minister Kim Yong-hyun, he is currently responding to the special investigation headquarters of the prosecution. However, they are not responding to the publication or police summons. And the question is, isn't it known that you are rejecting statements related to civil war? But all of a sudden, I came out that I would do a press briefing through the media and the lawyers. It also came a day before the impeachment hearing. I think I can think of it in three directions.

As a person at the center of the emergency martial law declaration, as the president says, are you trying to preach why you had to do emergency martial law, or were you not arrested by all military generals and police leaders? You feel sorry for them, and you'll take responsibility for them all. Whether to talk about it in that direction. Or, lastly, the fact that there was an intervention and instruction of President Yoon Suk Yeol ahead of the impeachment hearing and in the situation in which he was in, I just implemented the instruction. You can put it on these three. Anyway, I'm curious, but if Minister Kim Yong-hyun argues that emergency martial law is still reasonable and has no choice but to do it, it will only be seen as a press conference defending the president ahead of the impeachment hearing. However, it remains to be seen what kind of press conference will be held, but then it will be difficult to get the consent of the people or the support of the people.

[Anchor]
I also want to ask you this. I think this speculation is possible, but it is known that the president may make a position today.
And former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun is reported to make a position today. What do you think of the possibility of coordination between the two sides?

[Changgeun Lee]
It's not a possibility. Because former Minister Kim Yong-hyun has already formed a team of lawyers. President Yoon Suk Yeol does not have a defense team, but he has continuously presented his direction to the media through lawyer Seok Dong-hyun. So, as I said in three scenarios, if the two sides argue that emergency martial law was still reasonable and inevitable today, so emergency martial law is not subject to judicial judgment, then former Minister Kim Yong-hyun refused to make a statement from the police, regarding the civil war. If we talk about it publicly, it's 100% coordinated with each other.

[Anchor]
Please tell us your outlook.

[Mobility]
I think the answer is already there. Although you mentioned three scenarios. Because I told a certain media company not to come. If it was a demand to apologize or show a change in his attitude, there would not have been a situation where he would not have asked certain media companies to come. That's why I think there's a high possibility that he'll send a message that he'll fight to the end just like the president. At that point, I think the ruling party will be very embarrassed, the power of the people. In the meantime, I've put a double standard on the Prime Minister. I've been making decisions that are in this kind of self-contradiction that you can veto but you shouldn't exercise your right to appoint. However, the report came out yesterday as if Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, would apologize.

as if to apologize to the nation In fact, he has already kicked out CEO Han Dong-hoon, and in fact, he has dragged it as it is in the form of discord between his words and actions. And just being the chairman of the emergency committee, Kwon Young-se, has already been certified as a force that advocates martial law. But if you apologized with your mouth, would you believe that? The same goes for Minister Kim Yong-hyun. Whatever message I send today, I think it will be more of a trigger for public resentment to hit the sky.

[Anchor]
Let's also talk about the appointment of a constitutional judge. The opposition party decided today with the Maginot Line for the immediate appointment of Han Deok-soo as a constitutional judge. At the last Cabinet meeting, Han said this. The priority is for the ruling and opposition parties to be consulted for now. You said you need to come up with this, what do you think? Do you think it's going to be concluded today?

[Changgeun Lee]
Such an impeachment to create acting power, as the opposition argues, is actually undesirable if it is not concluded first. Because the opposition party proposed a ruling-opposition-government consultative body, and the ruling party received it. And it is about to be launched together, and if such an unfortunate situation occurs, foreign credit continues to fall even now when the exchange rate has exceeded 1450 won.

Small and medium-sized enterprises in the field are very difficult, but the opposition party has no choice but to question whether it is right from the standpoint of re-taking the next administration, which will lead state administration as a partner in state administration like a giant opposition party. Nevertheless, with regard to the appointment of a constitutional judge, the parties to the constitutional judge candidate, the Constitutional Court, and the Supreme Court's appointment of a Supreme Court justice. The legal profession generally believes that appointments are possible. However, it still shows the logic that it is not possible within the power of the people. It is right for the ruling and opposition parties to agree on this part, but such an agreement seems to be out of the question now.

However, only the decision of Prime Minister Han Deok-soo and acting president remains. In order to eliminate confusion as soon as possible, I think it is necessary to pay attention to the perspective of the legal profession and the gaze that is very alarming. And the opposition is no longer impeached, rather than these words, why this is right. It's right to spread that logic a little more. The impeachment of impeachment continues, so the acting president goes again. It's a situation where we don't know what the Republic of Korea will do in the future.

[Anchor]
You also mentioned your concerns about the stability of the state, but the Democratic Party is really planning to pursue impeachment if Han does not appoint a constitutional judge by tomorrow morning, right? [Donghak] I think that's inevitable. Because, in fact, if the plenary session passes today, it is usually approved right away today. And give me the certificate of appointment tomorrow. So that the Constitutional Court can go back to normal right away. It's a constitutional vacuum right now.

Since there is no president, in order to normalize this as soon as possible, the Constitutional Court must quickly make a judgment on the impeachment of the president. But by pushing it back, the prime minister is actually taking the lead in the constitutional vacuum? That can't happen. You have to do it as soon as possible. And another thing is, isn't there a lot of talk about the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and the Special Prosecutor Act of Kim Gun-hee? However, there is a double standard in the ruling party that says some things must be vetoed and some cannot be vetoed. That's why I think the people will also be puzzled about those parts. In that respect, the first step, the appointment of a constitutional judge, is expected to be passed today by the National Assembly, and I think we need to make a quick appointment so that the constitutional judge can hear the judgment as a whole so that it can be exercised properly.

[Anchor]
The ruling and opposition parties continue to interpret the impeachment quorum as the acting president. There are different opinions, and as I reported earlier, according to the contents of the legal commentary published by the Constitutional Court in 2015, the quorum of decisions should be set differently depending on the time when the illegal act that is the reason for impeachment is committed. I reported earlier, what do you think about this part?

[Changgeun Lee]
I think the Legislative Investigation Office is of the same opinion. It is said that the time when the reason for impeachment occurred is the standard of quorum, but apart from that, if the Democratic Party impeaches acting representative Han Deok-soo, how much confusion will there be about quorum as you just said? That opinion will also be divided in the legal profession. And isn't acting President Han Deok-soo also in charge of emergency martial law?

In such a situation, it is not desirable to be in a situation that is really confused by confusion, so I would like to tell you and what do you think? The Democratic Party of Korea says that the power of the people is different. The same goes for the Democratic Party. Didn't you say that acting Han Deok-soo's authority should not be exercised when he vetoed six bills related to people's livelihoods? However, if the authority of the acting authority is recognized, legislation related to people's livelihoods can be discussed. In my personal opinion, I also expressed my personal opinion that the independent counsel law should be passed to reduce confusion for the people's right to know, although it is a little unreasonable regarding the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law and the civil war independent counsel law.If the Democratic Party is sincere in reducing confusion, it can remove the unconstitutional element and propose it again. But he still insists on it. The Democratic Party's logic doesn't fit either. So what I want to say is that if the Republic of Korea is in turmoil again over the quorum issue of the acting president on impeachment, President-elect Trump of the United States will take office next month. Diplomacy isn't missing, it's going to be completely extinguished now. How would you be responsible for the economic damage, the invisible damage to fame? I hope the opposition party knows that.

[Anchor]
We're showing it on the screen, but the Democratic Party of Korea says that only 151 lawmakers need to approve the impeachment motion as prime minister, and the ruling party needs to get the consent of more than 200 people based on the presidential standard, so two-thirds. I'm divided on these opinions. What do you think about this?

[Mobility]
Prime Minister Han Deok-soo is not the president. This is the Prime Minister. But there is a president right now. It's just a situation where you're impeached and you're in a state of vacancy. But if you claim 200 votes, there will be two presidents in Korea. I think that's a ridiculous claim from the beginning. So I think 151 votes is enough to impeach him as prime minister.

Why did I divide it into 200 and 151 seats? In the case of the president, I made a rather high hurdle of 200 seats because he received a majority of votes and eventually rose to the presidency with it as an authority. But the prime minister is just the one appointed by the president. But when this is the case, if the president finally puts down the position and another prime minister comes in, should we make this 200 seats equivalent to the president? I don't think that's proper. The Prime Minister does not have that authority. However, it is only the authority to act on behalf of the president for a short period of time, not the president's qualification itself. Considering that aspect, the Democratic Party is making such an argument. I think there's probably a lot more people sympathizing with this.

[Changgeun Lee]
Democratic lawmakers once said that the Constitution should be studied again. The Constitution of the Republic of Korea stipulates that it has the full authority of the President as an acting president in relation to the authority of the acting president. The story is not enumeration. So, when it comes to authority, I have not only the right to appoint and diplomatic power, but also the right to veto. As the Constitutional Court researcher said, if the reason for impeachment is a veto situation, I think two-thirds are correct, as the Constitutional Court's researcher put it.

[Anchor]
So you're saying you're qualified as an acting authority, right? [Lee Changgeun] That's right. However, I don't know how the Democratic Party of Korea will present the reason for impeachment, but that's why I'm telling you that the Democratic Party of Korea is not impeached, but because it's the prime minister. However, if you interpret the law accurately, you have all the powers as acting president. However, if it is not the reason for impeachment, it is the reason for involvement in emergency martial law. Then that logic is correct. That's why you're causing this confusion. Let's hope the Democrats see the Constitution exactly again. So we have to put our heads together on how to minimize confusion.

[Anchor]
Although it continues to emphasize the need to minimize confusion, it is expected to continue to be a hot issue. Let's also look at the power situation of the
people. On the 24th, Kwon Young-se, a five-term lawmaker, was designated as the new chairman of the emergency committee. However, it is classified as a representative pro-yoon senior figure, and if you look at Rep. Kwon Sung-dong, who is also a pro-yoon, there are questions about whether the party will be able to reform. Chairman, what do you think?

[Changgeun Lee]
We weren't elected within our party, but we were nominated, weren't we? So, instead of looking at Kwon Young-se, who was nominated as a pro-Yoon, please look at his experiences as a person who has worked in important government positions from the Park Geun Hye government to the Yoon Suk Yeol government in the past. I've said this before. And Kwon Young-se, who was nominated, also said that the unity and unity of the party come first. So I don't think it's meaningful for us to argue with the name itself. What steps will Kwon Young-se, the nominee for emergency committee chairman, take? The focus should be on how to transform the power of the people so that they can regain the public's power in the future.

I think you'll do a good job. So what we can do now is to keep our distance from President Yoon, to be reborn as a party that can take responsibility for people's livelihoods as the ruling party, or to do economic activities without getting caught up in the pro-Yoon debate anymore. It depends on how you do it, so I would like to ask you to take your time to watch your appearance in the future.

[Anchor]
Can you tell me this best? What do you think of the leadership system of lawmaker Kwon Young-se?

[Mobility]
I think it's very wrong. Wasn't there too many times in two and a half years when President Yoon Suk Yeol did something wrong while running the state affairs? You will feel that way not from the opposition's point of view, but from the people's point of view. Whenever that happens, consider the attitude the ruling party has taken. You've done nothing wrong, almost treating Geum-jeok, you're all right. I've been consistent with this attitude. However, the core of them was Kwon Young-se. But how much weight of words will the people accept to say that they will reform such a person as the chairman of the emergency committee? I think that was, of course, an internal affair in the reverse direction.

No matter what he apologizes or does, the public will not accept that it will change as soon as possible. Rather, it is said that state administration is urgent because it will cover martial law and such things, and it will work as an opportunity to continue to pressure Prime Minister Han Deok-soo from behind to create a mess in state administration, but in reality, those who run counter to the people's power will be seen as people who are more obstructing them, so I think the mess in state administration will be much worse.

[Anchor]
Finally, let's look at the issue of the State Council. Today is originally the first meeting since the launch of the ruling and opposition parties' political consultative body, but the ruling and opposition parties are confronting each other over a number of pending issues, and the possibility of postponing the meeting is being raised little by little. Will the consultative body be able to go properly and how do you see the situation?

[Changgeun Lee]
From the current stance of the Democratic Party, if acting Han Deok-soo does not appoint a judge of the Constitutional Court, he will be impeached. If so, the ruling-opposition-government consultative body would only sound like an empty echo. That's why I'm telling you that this situation shouldn't come, as I've said continuously. Now is the time to look back on the Constitution and judge whether the Democratic Party is a party that really thinks about people's livelihoods. And as the public's willingness to attend the ruling-opposition party-government consultative body itself is an attitude to deal with the confusion toward the people's livelihood, I hope the opposition party will make big concessions and only think about the people's livelihood like a giant opposition party.

[Anchor]
How do you see it? What kind of situation do you see if you can go to the consultative body well in the future?

[Mobility]
Still, the ruling party is in a position to take responsibility, and it is the people's power to take responsibility. As a result, they keep demanding concessions from the opposition party and blaming the opposition party, and these cases continue to come out even now. Rather, if you want to give them a side, they actually do it hotly. What do the people want at the end of the day? It is to quickly prevent a constitutional suspension. However, in order to prevent it, the Constitutional Court will eventually normalize, and it will be difficult to achieve normalization of state affairs by preventing it any longer. So, from those areas, you show the changes, and then in the people's livelihood council, for example, supplementary budget. Even the self-employed are in a very difficult environment, and how the National Assembly will support these parts and the ruling party has to come up with a specific answer to this, so the opposition party will discuss such things together and let's do it together. It's going to be like this, right? What do you keep doing to the opposition party when you don't have a plan? Talking like this is rather misleading, I see it like this.

[Anchor]
I see. Let's stop here. So far, Lee Chang-geun, chairman of the party's cooperation committee, and Lee Dong-hak, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea's supreme council. Thank you both.