Han Dong-hoon, who became stronger after the interview... "I'll say it more directly in the future."

■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Appearance: Kim Hyung-joo, former Democratic Party lawmaker, Shin Ji-ho, Vice President of Strategic Planning for People's Power,

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[Anchor]
a political commentary with a lively angle Let's get started on time. Today, Shin Ji-ho, the Vice-President of the Strategic Planning Department of the People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, the former lawmaker, came out. Welcome. Let's check the content of the first keyword. Please show us. I'll say it more directly. CEO Han Dong-hoon said this at a friendly dinner yesterday. It seems that the aftermath continues after the meeting between President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Han Dong-hoon without proper results. I heard that close lawmakers had dinner yesterday. Is it lightning? Or was it planned?

[Shin Jiho]
It was lightning. Maybe let's go to Yongsan among the lawmakers and comfort the representative who came after being treated poorly. We'll treat you. With some lawmakers at the center for this purpose, how about lightning today? I suggested it to the representative, and I think I did this by gathering about 20 people because I liked it.

[Anchor]
Representatives, gather around. You didn't do it, but the council members made it?

[Shin Jiho]
Members are willing to treat us.

[Anchor]
Then I think there must have been a lot of things about the interview. What about CEO Han Dong-hoon's expression and atmosphere?

[Shin Jiho]
Various things are coming out, and it seems that the lawmakers took turns talking about various uncomfortable feelings and feelings about the Yongsan dinner meeting with floor leader Choo Kyung-ho. CEO Han Dong-hoon didn't say anything about it, but it could be that he sympathizes with the words that he's been listening to all along. As it comes out now, I understand that there has been a conversation to the effect that I will not hesitate to convey public sentiment to the presidential office in the future.

[Anchor]
I'll say it more directly. After meeting with President Yoon Suk Yeol face-to-face, representative Han Dong-hoon expressed his determination like this, what kind of determination can it be seen as?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Anyway, I see this Monday's meeting as the second wave of resignation. So, it was already shown that way with one photo, it was two forms that were very insulting, not like the president and the ruling party leader, but rather like the chief of staff and the ruling party leader listening to the president's advice. an offensive part of the seating arrangement Also, the part that was rejected in the content. And as soon as it was over, he gave zero cola to Han Dong-hoon and ate with Choo Kyung-ho, the floor leader. This would have been officially revealed by anyone, but in January, Chief of Staff Lee Kwan-seop was the chairman of the emergency committee at the time.Ma once directly asked Han Dong-hoon to resign.

In that sense, it was comparable to the second demand for resignation, and in that sense, we should no longer be treated like that in the case of last night's appearance. It seems to be an expression of such a willingness to confront a little more directly and not to be low-key.

[Anchor]
There are about 20 people who gathered yesterday, but are there people similar to the last friendly dinner?

[Shin Jiho]
I understand that there are about three new people who are similar.

[Anchor]
We also organized the list of participants graphically, and lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae came last time. Who didn't come?

[Shin Jiho]
If you look over there, Ahn Sang-hoon, the proportional representative, followed by Kim Sang-hoon, the chairman of the policy committee, and Choi Bo-yoon, the proportional representative, were not present at the dinner meeting last Sunday.

[Anchor]
Usually, in the political world, when there is a dinner like this, the lawmakers who get together talk to each other, but from the outside, it can be a kind of show of power.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
That's right. So there may be lawmakers who wanted to come but couldn't because of the schedule. It's a lightning type. Also, in the case of local councilors whose constituencies are far away, there must have been parts where they could not come even if they wanted to.

[Anchor]
Are there people who are close at heart but couldn't come?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
I mean, the difference in different colors. If there are people who are not afraid of their names being revealed, they must have emotional and sympathetic acquaintances. It seems like there will be 30 or 40 more people. Then, in some cases, it is shown that in some cases, seolim can naturally continue over time. In the case of yesterday, I was very angry inside, so there must have been some very realistic stories, including special prosecutors.It seems that he had his own position organized when he said that it would be a little problem for various stories to go out without addition or subtraction because he left all the finishing touches to lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae.

[Anchor]
Anyway, CEO Han Dong-hoon, who went home without briefing after the interview, said these things in the media. So CEO Han Dong-hoon said that Yongsan should talk about yes or no, not the time to adapt it.

[Shin Jiho]
Yesterday, the presidential office held a briefing that was not held on the same day. But I was able to do it on the same day. The meeting ended at around 6:20 and there was a briefing by Chief of Staff Park Jung-ha at 7:30 at the National Assembly. If I had said this, please cover the Yongsan-related briefing, I could have briefed the president on the day of Yongsan on how he reacted to representative Han Dong-hoon's remarks, but I didn't. But I did it the next day. From our perspective, I think we did this because we were surprised by the morning newspaper.

[Anchor]
It's not what the CEO heard, but you're saying there's something that came out?

[Shin Jiho]
However, looking at the briefing, one representative used the expression "adapted", but I think there are quite a lot of adaptations plus gloss.

[Anchor]
What is adaptation plus gloss?

[Shin Jiho]
So it's kind of exaggerated, inflated, twisted, and many things. I don't think it was a dry briefing as it is, but it was edited to benefit the president's office.

[Anchor]
It was adapted from the representative side of Han Dong-hoon. Vice-President Shin Ji-ho also made such a claim because he is classified as a close acquaintance, but the official position of the president's office has not come out yet to say that the representative has been adapted. I think it would be quite unpleasant to say this after the interview. What do you think about that?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
The difference in positions is very different. The first one was different.Ma said, "Through this meeting, the party and the presidential office coordinated their opinions to a certain extent, and what Chairman Han Dong-hoon felt was that none of the three official requests were exactly yes. They were all angry. The results are very different. Wouldn't it mean a lot of adaptation and gloss to say that the distance is very far away? In that respect, of course, it would be better than not seeing it, but rather than self-evaluating that it is better than not seeing it, the president should actually sort out the so-called Kim Gun-hee system in the presidential office, for example. Isn't it that there was even an appointment?

9 people. There's a secretary level and an administrator level. What Han Dong-hoon said was to change the atmosphere before the first trial of Representative Lee Jae-myung by lifting up such parts of the Han Dong-hoon community in order to change the state of affairs, but how did the president say it? If they actually violated the law, bring it. They're in a completely different position. That's why I'm telling you to bring it if you're guilty. However, being close to someone does not mean you have been guilty, so a very important interpretation of the middle ground is needed.

On the contrary, the president is the most recent people I trust and rely on, so why do you tell him to quit? It's a completely different interpretation. So that's the future task, that's what it looks like.

[Anchor]
A representative seems to be emphasizing the point that yes or no was ultimately no, but a representative who expressed his determination to speak more directly said it at a meeting of party officials this morning. Let's hear what you're talking about.

I just talked openly like this. First lady Kim Gun-hee has to solve the problem. But the timing should be resolved before Lee Jae-myung's first trial is sentenced.

[Shin Jiho]
So, many legal professionals are now saying that the ruling will be quite unfortunate for CEO Lee Jae-myung. I'm looking at it like this. On Nov. 15 and 25, however, Chairman Lee Jae-myung cannot run in the next presidential election, and the Democratic Party has to cough up 43.4 billion won in state subsidies for the presidential election. Even if this camp is not well-organized, and at that point, if the arrow of public anger and anger still turns toward the Kim Geon-hee issue, the first trial ruling is a great political opportunity, and it may be difficult to take advantage of it and drag it to the advantage of the people's power. So, I don't just want the other person to go wrong, but I think it's to the effect that we can use the other person's things once we are healthy.

[Anchor]
But 15 days before the first trial, what are you going to do when you don't have that much time left now, but you have to solve it within that time?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Through a press conference in early November, where the president is halfway through his entire term, or something like that. So, the reason why I think Han should not only ask for it officially is because of the suspension of the period, which has been the pattern of President Yoon. In practice, if there is a pattern of anger on the spot but accepting things that are accepted, I said no yesterday, but to a certain extent, watch what CEO Han Dong-hoon can do about what he said. I think we can talk about that. Some of them have tried to open the second annex to some extent, for example, but I will get rid of them all.

Then, I will appoint a special inspector, and from now on, I will officially refrain from working as a woman, and then among these people represented by the woman line, not all, but to a certain extent, it already includes a change of jobs. I'm going to do that so that these parts don't hang around the lady anymore. Even so, I think there is an opportunity to achieve an acceptance of CEO Han Dong-hoon's request. Even strategically, if President Yoon also has a turning point, the answer is not to completely isolate himself from the party and representative Han Dong-hoon. I don't know if it will benefit from Han's insulation, but President Yoon is not. With the image of being expelled or expelled from the party, there is no way for the rest of the second half to rise by more than 30%.

[Anchor]
The more urgent side is Yongsan, you see it like this.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
But he says he will forcefully block the stone, but that's why his aides have to do well, to the president. I should give you a little more direct advice and say that going in harmony with the party and representative Han Dong-hoon is the way to end this administration well.

[Anchor]
The pro-Yoon-gye is dissatisfied with this appearance, having a dinner after the meeting with President Chin-gye. Let's listen to what's being said for a moment.

[Anchor]
You're all close to your wife. There's another rebuttal.

[Shin Jiho]
I never said that. I've never said that, and I don't think it's appropriate for me to answer here because it's hard to say that right now is a proper criticism. It seems that there is also an eruption on the side of people called Chin-yoon. To put it simply, yesterday's dinner meeting is a four-letter word, "Yahan in Korea." Close to each other during the day, close to each other at night. But if you look at it like that, there are really real ones who are Joo Yoon. During the day, there's Ju Yoon night limit, and there's this. That's how Chin-yoon is being differentiated. But at yesterday's dinner party, about 22 people gathered because it was lightning. It seems that about 30 people would have gathered if they had more time. But Joo Yoon-ya has a heart, but they can't come yet.

[Anchor]
You can't get the attendance record.

[Shin Jiho]
That's right. That's how it's going. So, we believe that as time passes anyway, the flow is bound to form like that.

[Anchor]
I think it's quite interesting to see how many people will attend the meeting. Anyway, the pro-Yoon side said they would renovate it, but it's an old-fashioned way to do things like this. These criticisms kept coming out. What do you think of that?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
There must be factions in every politics. And on the one hand, those are the areas where democracy within the party should be protected. Even though the president unilaterally ignored the party leader and invited so-called pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers to the presidential office for dinner, it is factional politics when it comes to the party leader having dinner with close lawmakers. Isn't this unfair, too? What do the people think when the president continues to hold dinner meetings in a way that cooperates with representative Han Dong-hoon? The presidential office and the ruling party are currently facing the U.S. presidential election, and North Korea is making such a fuss about North Korea, and the economy is in a bad situation. They're shooting each other. Even pro-Yoon-gye lawmakers should help the party leader with such embarrassment first, as Kang Myung-koo said just now. No matter how close I am to the presidential office, it was too much this time. How can we feed the party leader zero cola and bring the floor leader Choo Kyung-ho to dinner? Isn't that normal? However, even the party leader's group is regarded as a factional group. I think it's beyond common sense.

[Anchor]
CEO Han Dong-hoon said at an official meeting this morning that Kim Gun-hee should solve the problem before Lee Jae-myung's first trial. One of them was conditional on the renewal of the women's line. What many people are confused about is that when meeting with President Yoon Suk Yeol, President Yoon Suk Yeol and Yongsan should give specific names. Didn't you say you said that? You didn't name it?

[Shin Jiho]
I'm done. So yesterday's briefing has no choice but to say adaptation and gloss, as if CEO Han Dong-hoon did not talk about anything specific when he watched the briefing. That's not the case at all. That red file also contains all the related data. I will talk about the name and the reason in detail. And it's known that he actually talked about it. For example, senior administrator Kang is currently being suspended for two months for drunk driving, but in the past, Cheong Wa Dae in Moon Jae In, an administrator was caught for drunk driving, so he resigned that day. For example, in order to criticize Moon Da-hye's drunk driving, she criticizes whether there should be at least a little moral superiority, but when she can't do that, Cheong Wa Dae administrator Moon Jae In resigns on that day, but this time, she ends with two months of suspension? What are we going to do with criticism of Moon Da-hye's drunk driving? But is there a specific point like that? What are you saying that you didn't say anything specific? That's why it's called adaptation, gloss.

[Anchor]
Were you going to give the red file to me?

[Shin Jiho]
You should check your numbers or records during the conversation.

[Anchor]
You took it with you for reference. Anyway, President Yoon Suk Yeol, who heard representative Han Dong-hoon's request in person, must be complicated. President Yoon Suk Yeol's actions will also be examined through the following keywords. Please show us. I went to Beomeosa Temple, President Yoon Suk Yeol. I'll get hit even if I throw a stone. It sounds quite meaningful because it came out after an interview with CEO Han Dong-hoon. What does that mean?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
It's my way. So, if you talk a little more harshly, CEO Han Dong-hoon throws a stone at me, asking if the president is watching like this. I'm trying to reform medical care, but it's worse because of CEO Han Dong-hoon. Isn't there a position like this and such? I'm justice and I'm reform, but I keep leading it massively and making it difficult to enter. Isn't that the position of the presidential office? I'm on the side of justice, I'll have a conviction and reform image until the end. Democrats can always solve the answer only if they think there is no answer.

If I say the answer, isn't it the same for medical reform? If you talk about something else, give me chemical evidence, I'm the answer, if you say this, it can't be a conversation. It's not a dialog. It's a monologue. Why did the president leave Cheong Wa Dae and go to Yongsan? He left to communicate with us. However, such a position would rather go to Beomeosa Temple and lay down what the president has said so far, that I am justice and that I am reformative. I will empty everything, and fill it with other people's stories. Will it really help the people or the people who support the president if they say that they will give great power to the people and go to the end? I think something is wrong.

[Anchor]
I'm going to get stoned. Rather than piggybacking, President Yoon Suk Yeol said these things. You said to declare my way. People keep talking about the possibility of leaving the party in My Way, what do you think is the possibility?

[Shin Ji-ho]
That shouldn't happen. If something like that happens, it's actually the collapse of the ruling power. Isn't it true that the president's defection will lead to the collapse of power, and that the opposition parties, as well as First Lady Kim Gun-hee, honestly, believe that Lee Jae-myung and Cho Kuk will have a chance to take power only when they impeach Yoon Suk Yeol President Hoshim-Tam and hold an early presidential election? Rather, it's like laying the bottom there.

[Anchor]
I don't know what kind of answer is in President Yoon Suk Yeol's mind right now, but there are many interpretations of the fact that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho was called to dinner after the Yoon Han meeting. In the end, there were speculations that the special prosecutor Kim Gun-hee was called to say something like that to crack down on the leave vote because he was a little anxious about the special prosecutor.

[Kim Hyung-joo]
However, when he met with representative Han Dong-hoon during the day, he expressed his gratitude for the public's opposition to the independent counsel, and at the same time, there is no choice if more people within the party agree to the independent counsel in accordance with the changing times. If you want to try something very unique, try it. This is the part. It feels very irresponsible to me. We need to crack down so that that doesn't happen, weren't we meeting for that reason? Try that. I'll be on my way. Even if I do an independent counsel later, it's my job, not something you have to worry about. It's because I can tell you that I said this. Then, at night, the floor leader Choo Kyung-ho showed such a strong performance during the day, but is there a sense of anxiety inside? Do a good job of cracking down. How many people do you think will be able to move on if there is actually a 4th special prosecutor in the party? Who do I have to seduce? Who is shaking? He's creating a suspicion that he might have said that to himself. I see it that way.

[Anchor]
Did Han Dong-hoon know in advance that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho was going to dinner?

[Shin Jiho]
I didn't know that.

[Anchor]
Then, did you suddenly call him?

[Shin Jiho]
I think it was a lightning call. So, according to the floor leader Choo Kyung-ho's explanation, I had dinner twice that day. I ate it once in Yeouido and then again in Yongsan.

[Anchor]
I had an appointment, so I ate it all of a sudden.

[Shin Ji-ho]
Dinner was over, but an emergency call came, so I went to Yongsan and had dinner one more time. It's like this. According to Rep. Kim Hyung-joo's explanation, how can the party leader, who is the second-in-command in the party, go and eat like that when the 22-member dinner party of Han Dong-hoon yesterday was treated like a denunciation of floor leader Choo Kyung-ho? Are you sure you're the one? Yesterday, floor leader Choo Kyung-ho distributed snacks to the press room in Yongsan. What the hell is this? A lot of things have been said. However, is floor leader Choo Kyung-ho the right person to crack down on votes within the party? Of course, pro-Yoon-gye and real-Yoon-gye will be cracked down on votes. But if floor leader Choo Kyung-ho persuades those who gathered yesterday, will it be a vote crackdown?

[Anchor]
I think that communication between the leadership, not between the government and the government, is in a crisis. In this situation, some say that the date of the meeting between Lee Jae-myung and Han Dong-hoon will be set soon. Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok said this. Let's listen to it. Han Dong-hoon, the chairman of the main opposition Democratic Party of Korea, should give something to the toxic clause in the Kim Gun-hee independent counsel law. Pay fourth or fifth. Are you saying you can accept this? What are you talking about?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
I think it's been a consistent Democratic stance. If CEO Han Dong-hoon empowers our special prosecutor bill, won't the game be over? It's like that. Also, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon's position was ambiguous about that. Although they are interested in solving this problem, including the independent counsel, there is also a part that CEO Han Dong-hoon proposed a special prosecution proposal right now, and the special prosecution proposal proposed by CEO Han Dong-hoon was not a good relief. However, as a result, I think the Democratic Party of Korea has abused it too much while continuing to attempt the special prosecution bill.

Rather, it should take a much longer time without pushing the second special prosecutor's bill and come up with a more nice plan that can supplement Han Dong-hoon's opinions. The Democratic Party of Korea continues to create proposals that representative Han Dong-hoon cannot receive even if he wants to receive them. So I think the Democratic Party needs to not only encourage these various conflicts of people and the presidential office, but also make the proposal more political and more professional.

[Shin Jiho]
In that sense, I think Lee Jae-myung is helping President Yoon Suk Yeol. This is because if lawmakers of the People's Power issue a reasonable and decent independent counsel bill that can agitate, the possibility of an agitated departure increases. But more and more, it's like this, but it's not this. They come up with such a legislation that can be concluded so easily without worrying about it.

[Anchor]
Then what happens if CEO Lee Jae-myung changes it this time?

[Shin Jiho]
If that happens, you don't know what's going to happen. So rather, I can express that representative Lee Jae-myung is helping President Yoon Suk Yeol in that respect.

[Anchor]
Then, after meeting the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties, we should also watch what will change and how it will change. Let's take a brief look at the last keyword. Please show us. Myung Taekyun. He's a person who has emerged as the core of Jungkook. In a media interview, he said that he wants to live a quiet life now. Let's hear what it's about for a moment. He is an aide to former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, who appeared in the National Assembly inspection, and now wants to live quietly while refuting Kang Hye-kyung's claims. Leave me alone. That's what I said. Not so long ago, when I open my mouth, the world changes.I think the nuance of the dough has changed considerably.

[Shin Ji-ho]
Myung Tae-kyun's entry into such a revelation war is the prosecution's investigation into him, think this is unfair, and stop him before he reveals any more dangerous information to you so that I don't get hit by the prosecution's blade. I think this was the intention. However, if the prosecution's investigation fizzles out due to the influence of Myung Tae-kyun's threatening remarks, would it really be a rule of law? So, the prosecution now has several charges against Myung Tae-kyun. Starting with inappropriate financial transactions with former lawmaker Kim Young-sun, how he raised the cost of public opinion polls, and the fact that he continues to shake the political circle through rapid investigation itself speaks to the level of Korean politics.

[Anchor]
Anyway, I don't think this will go down easily because there are testimonies by Kang Hye-kyung at the National Assembly. I said, "I'm going to live a quiet life." What does it mean?

[Kim Hyung-joo]
Anyway, I'm asking you to cover up this quickly before Kim Gun-hee goes further and goes on to whether she had any influence on Kim Young-sun's nomination or not with the authority of the president. However, in this process, everything will become a wave, and civic groups will probably accept the suspicion of numerous politicians, whether or not they manipulated opinion polls and who paid for the party's primary. Then, on the surface, Myung Tae-kyun may live quietly, but the road ahead is very difficult, and this person knows for himself in the first place. I say that you have to be especially careful with your relationship with this person because you know that you have a fraud or a bad career that does not allow you to enter the transition team or the presidential office.

[Anchor]
Since the suspicion is so large, the process of resolving it will not be simple, so this is how you see it. I'll cut it down here. They were Shin Ji-ho, the head of the Strategic Planning Department for People's Power, and Kim Hyung-joo, the former lawmaker. Thank you.