Kim Sung-tae said, "The 'Myeongtae Gyun Gate' is not an exaggeration."No one knows the tactics of pollack".

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: November 20, 2024 (Wednesday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Talk: Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, Hong Ik-pyo, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

Kim Sung-tae
- It's a pity that the ruling party looks small.Flexible ruling-opposition relations disappear
- Lee Jae-myung's system under heaven and earth, the Democratic Party's crisis...There are no lawmakers seeking diversity yet.
- 'Myeongtae-gyun Gate' is not an exaggeration.Myung Tae-kyun's tactics No one knows
- Kim Moo-sung met Myung Tae-kyun at a meeting of former lawmakers in Mapo, but he cut it off as a one-off

Hong Ik-pyo
- The Democratic Party of Korea cannot produce results unless it follows the flexibility of its second-term system
- It appears to be a political retaliation against the 檢 investigation process and presidential election process competitors
- Choi Min-hee's expression is not appropriate..The more sensitive the situation, the less careful one is
- The 'Myeongtae Gyun Gate' will have a huge impact.The government and the ruling party don't seem to know the Myung Tae-kyun card

◆ Shin Yul: As I mentioned earlier, we will open the first section of Shin Yul's news head-to-head match between the ruling and opposition parties. Here are the two very important and big-name politicians I mentioned earlier. Let's introduce them one by one. It's the order of the ruling and opposition parties. Kim Sung-tae, former floor leader of the People's Power, is here.

◇ Kim Sung-tae: Yes, hello. I'm Kim Sung-tae. Nice to meet you.

◆ Shin Yul: And Hong Ik-pyo, former floor leader of the Democratic Party of Korea. How are you?

■ Hong Ik Pyo: Nice to meet you. I'm Hong Ikpyo.

◆ It's hard to see these two. What did they say they were going to give you? You don't want it? It's supposed to be there.

Today. Do you know why we're playing this for you? Today is Hong Ik-pyo's birthday.

◇ [Kim Sung-tae] Really?

◆ Shin Yul: Oh, congratulations. I'm jealous of this. My birthday was a few days ago. But there's nothing like this in our team. Since CEO Hong is coming out, things like this. So I also felt a bit alienated and a bit grotesque. Anyway, congratulations.

■ Hong Ik-pyo: Thank you.

◇ Kim Sung-tae: In fact, there are many politicians in the Democratic Party and especially the flower of the floor leader of the floor leader. Any lawmaker wants to be a floor leader, but in that respect, the value of the Democratic Party floor leader is also very important. I've experienced many Democratic floor leaders, but among many previous Democratic floor leaders, they say they are really alive and very tight from the Democratic Party's point of view, but sometimes they lead the negotiations well with considerable flexibility. In that respect, Representative Hong Ik-pyo was an example as a politician as a member of the National Assembly.

■ Hong Ik Pyo: All of a sudden again.

◇ Kim Sung-tae: You have to give him a birthday wish.

◆ Shin Yul: You should also tell us your birthday wishes and feelings.

■ Hong Ik-pyo: Thank you for this unexpected gift. Anyway, the economy is more difficult than anything else, so I hope that people's lives will smile a little at the end of the year and spend the end of the year.

◆ Shin Yul: It's nice to have something to laugh about. But I don't know if there's one. But how do you watch it? These days, how does floor leader Kim Sung-tae evaluate that the people's power is working well?

◇ [Kim Sung-tae] It's very unfortunate and painful about the missing part of politics by the ruling party. And isn't it Jungkook from Yeo-Soya University? When there is an absolute shortage of seats, the National Assembly's role in supporting President Yoon Suk Yeol's state administration is nothing. In that sense, it is very unfortunate that the power of the ruling party seems to be so small at the center of such politics, where the walls of repetitive conflicts are set up every day and only the conflict structure continues to be mass produced. Of course, on the other hand, as the ruling party, it should be flexible by listening to the opposition party's stories and listening to some of the opposition's demands, but there is also a limit to the failure, but the Democratic Party of Korea is so depressed because of Chairman Lee Jae-myung's judicial risks that the relationship between the ruling and opposition parties has disappeared. What's more, are you sad about now? I can't see politics.
◆ Sin Yul: How do you watch it?

■ Hong Ik-pyo: To tell you the Democratic Party of Korea situation first, there is light and shadow. So, we are currently in the second phase of Lee Jae-myung's representative system. The party is more stable than ever, and the party is a little stable in any situation that is not this confusing. It's very positive in this regard. Also, more than ever before, the 22nd National Assembly members are doing their best. But what's a bit unfortunate is that it's not good to work hard, but you have to work hard to produce results, but I think it's a bit unfortunate that the results haven't come out properly yet, and as much as the principles are important, the principles are difficult to produce results without flexibility. That's what I think. In addition, many lawmakers are working hard to achieve results related to the prosecution, judicial reform, and various political reforms. I hope that our party will make results more flexible in terms of people's livelihoods and the economy related to the lives of the people. That's what I'm thinking.

◆ Shin-yul: In the past, ruling and opposition lawmakers used to drink soju together, but in fact, it needs to be done like this, but there seems to be no such thing at all these days. Let's talk about it in earnest. As expected, the prosecution indicted Lee Jae-myung, the head of the Democratic Party of Korea, on charges of misappropriation of corporate cards in Gyeonggi Province yesterday morning. They said this was the sixth indictment. What do you think? CEO Kim Sung-tae said,

◇ Kim Sung-tae: I feel very sorry for him as a person in politics. To make matters worse, CEO Lee Jae-myung is in the midst of a series of scandals, but even if he really confides in his corporate card, he continues to confide in it like this and overindulge in prosecution. Then, who will survive? Probably, Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the surrounding Democratic Party have no choice but to say this. However, the reality is that from CEO Lee Jae-myung's point of view, if a person with a public status has such a corporate card company card and is useful, and uses such a vehicle privately, and even solves all the costs of a private family business as a company card, it must be the object of public resentment. The prosecution also knew about this legal violation and was unable to ask about it. However, it may not be misunderstood that if Kim Hye-kyung and her aide Bae had done it together when prosecuting these people, but the prosecution has no choice but to respect the prosecution's judgment on this part because it decided to indict Lee Jae-myung, the leader of the main opposition party, with more evidence and legal reinforcement.

◆ Shin Yul: CEO Hong Ik Pyo?

■ Hong Ik-pyo: If you look at the prosecution's investigation process now, the Uri Party has no choice but to take the position that it is quite a political rival, a political retaliation against a rival in the presidential election process. Because two-and-a-half years have passed the presidential term, and when asked what the biggest achievement was, I think he investigated Lee Jae-myung. Without any other achievements, the prosecution's investigation right now is just continuing to investigate until almost everything comes out, and the second is the issue of equity. So, during any prosecution investigation, the prosecution has not indicted Deutsche Motors or Deutsche Motors on a series of cases related to manipulation of stock prices or luxury bags, including the 100,000 won corporate card, and has gone all the way to the election. This issue of equity, and at the end, at least when prosecuting important politicians, we need to see if there is evidence based on evidence rather than a more unreasonable indictment, but there are many cases of evidence that go against what the prosecution has presented this time regarding the corporate card issue. For example, there are claims that official cars were used for public affairs, fruits, and other snacks were used publicly, not at Lee Jae-myung's house, and we also question whether the prosecution was sufficiently considered and prosecuted.

◆ Sin-ryul: Some people actually say that. After the prison sentence for Lee Jae-myung, the prosecution will take place soon after, so people who see this kind of scene together may have a different perspective. I'm thinking about this, but anyway, in the current situation, another first trial will be held next Monday against the perjury teacher, and the prosecution and prosecution will be prosecuted again, and now this trial will be at least three days a week. What do you think? In this situation, from CEO Lee Jae-myung's point of view, this is a difficult situation that keeps rolling. Mr. Kim, do you think this is a situation where there is talk of Plan B within the Democratic Party?

◇ Kim Sung-tae: Who would pursue diversity in the Democratic Party of Korea like this while presenting an alternative that can activate Plan B in Lee Jae-myung's system, which is the exclusive existence of children under heaven and earth? As far as I can see, there isn't one yet. Depending on the results of the Public Official Election Act or the perjury teacher's sentence next Monday, the results of the appeals court will come out next year, and even the Public Official Election Act may be completed. If that's the case, I'm sorry for Lee Jae-myung, but if it's no longer possible, the 2027 presidential election will come and I think it'll be visible then, and some kind of political movement to make the next runner. Until then, even if there is such a minute movement, look at Rep. Choi Min-hee's story within the Democratic Party of Korea, especially in this family system centered on dog daughters. The screaming system just started to move. If this screech moves, it dies. I will kill him with the party members. This is quite a scary thing to say with party members. There is such a force that says this, but who the hell can step up in that yard? That's why that's the crisis for the Democratic Party. I think it's

◆ Sin Yul: How do you watch it?

■ Hong Ik-pyo: First of all, Choi Min-hee's story was not appropriate, but he said that what he explained later was just too much. I explained that it means that it is difficult to sustain life politically, not physically. So anyway, since it's such a sensitive situation, I think influential politicians need to refrain a little and be more careful. Anyway, as I said earlier, the current atmosphere of the party is very stable, centered on Chairman Lee Jae-myung, so we are not in a situation to talk about any plan B right now, and I think the primary thing is how the party will respond politically along with the legal response to Chairman Lee Jae-myung's judicial first trial and the results of various upcoming trials. Second, as you mentioned earlier, we don't want to talk about Plan B, but if that happens, I think it will be a process in which the current leadership keeps the party stable responsibly and worries about the next plan. So for now, I think it's hard to find in the party to talk about Plan B or do something like that.

◆ Sin-ryul: Actually, but the power of the people is a little strong. Of course, there are recordings that the Democratic Party of Korea has, but there is a possibility that he doesn't know what he has and keeps talking about it, and Rep. Lee Joon-seok of the New Reform Party is throwing it like this. What do you think? This situation is

◇ Kim Sung-tae: It's not an exaggeration to say that it's a pollack gate, so it's quite a bomb. Currently, he is imprisoned at the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office and the prosecution's investigation continues. No one knows whether the prosecution will stop investigating Kim Young-sun and Myung Tae-kyun on charges of violating the Political Fund Act or whether it will use such close relationship with the president, which is being revealed, to find out whether it will cause a stir in the election of key politicians, provincial governors and heads of metropolitan governments, as well as local government heads. However, until now, even before the first trial of the Public Official Election Act by representative Lee Jae-myung, the news of Myung Tae-kyun covered all political aspects.

◆ Shin Yul: That's right. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's problem.

◇ Kim Sung-tae: If it comes out again next Monday as a perjury teacher, CEO Lee Jae-myung will have no choice but to be at the center of the news until next week. However, in the midst of such a situation, we are also interested in how determined the Changwon District Prosecutors' Office can be to draw results and take legal punishment like this. However, not only the issue of Myung Tae-kyun, but also the issue of bulletin boards within the party, and various issues that can lead to a mass production of conflict within the party. So the bottom line is that after all these things go missing, in the end, the life of a political party and the life of a politician by judicial judgment is the lifeblood of a political party.

◆ Shin Yul: When you look at the CEO, the suspicion about Lee Myung-tae-kyun is now being investigated by the prosecution and waiting for action by the law. I don't think it's going to end like this, but how do you watch it?

■ Hong Ik-pyo: It's not going to end like that. Also, from the perspective of the opposition Democratic Party, we can't end it like that. Naturally, depending on the situation, various things such as special prosecutors or hearings or parliamentary investigations at the National Assembly level are inevitably required. Because there are a lot of political brokers like Myung Tae-kyun, and it's a very special case. During the presidential election, we can always talk to this person on the phone when he or she becomes the president-elect, and even the first lady can communicate freely. Furthermore, those who contacted Lee Myung-tae-kyun at the time were Kim Jong-in, former chairman of the emergency committee, Lee Joon-seok, and Daegu Mayor Hong Joon Pyo, and we jokingly did so. If you don't meet Lee Myung-tae-kyun in the power of the people, you're not a strong politician. All the leading politicians of the people's power, who are asking you to come up with a party leader or offer a joke, are in contact with him now, and I don't know how much, but this is a huge amount of power. In particular, I've been in the presidential campaign, but the biggest power in the presidential campaign is to meet with the candidate and especially the president-elect. For example, if you say you can communicate with the elected person at any time, there will be more than one person lined up under him. To that extent, in my view, Myung Tae-kyun was likely to exert this wide influence around the camp or the ruling party at the time surrounding the power of the people at the time, and such rumors spread widely. As a result, this division took place, and not long after being elected, the local elections were held. Since there are controversies in the nomination process in connection with the local elections, the prosecution should investigate these issues transparently, but if the investigation is not carried out properly, too many people currently have transcripts. As Professor Shin Yul said earlier, the president and the ruling party are anxious because they don't know what Myung Tae-kyun has. That's why

◆ Shin Yul: I saw on the news that the prosecution was embarrassed because the prosecution did not have the recordings released by the Democratic Party last time.

■ Hong Ik-pyo: And I also heard a journalist talking to Myung Tae-kyun on the phone. I'm talking on speakerphone, but what Myung Tae Kyun said is that I don't know what I have either. That's why he said he needs to see that. That's why Myung Tae Gyun recorded so many things, and since he captured things like Kakao Talk, he seems to reveal things that are favorable or necessary to him at that time. As a result, I think that the explosive power of the pollack gate will be more powerful than expected in the future.

◆ Shin Yul: So when it comes to politics, even if you're not a person like Myung Tae-kyun, I heard that a lot of political brokers come.

■ Hong Ik-pyo: Yes, that's right. Depending on the size of the election, in the election of the National Assembly, so in each district, for example, if you go to the head of a metropolitan government, the scale becomes larger. So, if you go to the presidential election, it will be held on a national scale, so all kinds of people are around me, but for example, I think President Yoon Suk Yeol is like this. Perhaps if it were a candidate managed by the public office, that would not have been easy. Even if there are many

◆ Synthesis: Because it's trained

■ Hong Ik-pyo: Let's walk now. For example, I'm already used to various processes. For example, when I was a candidate for president of Moon Jae In, for example, Moon Jae In, I represented and was the chief of staff there, so there are such chief of staff and close lawmakers, so I don't just meet people who want to come right away, but meet them with a close lawmaker. Then let's skip the jade there. It is judged that this person will be dangerous if he meets someone who is okay to meet, but in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol, isn't it a case of sudden rise to the power of the people? It's a case of being recruited. In a sense, there are not many lawmakers to trust, and I met someone else, but I wonder if the president himself or the first lady met him in person.

◇ [Kim Sung-tae] That's right. Rep. Hong Ik-pyo pointed it out correctly, but after working as a prosecutor, didn't he take off his clothes from the prosecution? And now, he entered the political world and wanted to become a presidential candidate, and then he wanted to become a presidential candidate, so incumbent lawmakers took some interest in it. However, a political consultant like this. Myung Tae-kyun, who consults on various political steps such as how to use public opinion polls and how to use public opinion polls, had no choice but to fall into the Yoon Suk Yeol at the time when he had no political experience. However, after the candidate became the official presidential candidate of the People's Power, the president did not move with the support of the party secretariat and the presidential candidate's chief of staff at the time of the party's election system, so it is true that the president did not move with Lee Myung-tae-kyun's assistance. Therefore, the relationship that President Lee and his wife had with Myung Tae-kyun until they became candidates is undeniable. That's why the president of Yoon Suk Yeol at the time would have been able to help him without even knowing whether it was a violation of the law or not. That's why no one knows what kind of meaning Myung Taekyun will record this and how he will solve it with Salami tactics.

◆ Shin-yul: But for those who have been in politics for a long time, such people come, but cutting it is also a skill. Not to be disappointed, because if you're disappointed, you'll go around everywhere.
◇ Kim Sung-tae: There is now a meeting of former lawmakers in Mapo, in the case of former representative Kim Moo-sung. And he came there and he said he had nothing more to talk about. Then you're going to judge. I hung up on him. From the perspective of representative Kim Moo-sung at that time, he would be playing his part in unifying the candidates of Ahn Cheol Soo and Oh Se-hoon for Seoul mayor, but that's when former representative Kim Moo-sung helped a lot with Ahn Cheol Soo's political support. How do you know that, and Myung Tae-kyun has a close relationship with former CEO Kim Moo-sung and expands his appearance again like Chairman Kim Jong-in of the Ahn Cheol Soo. He's a person who is very good at that. This person is

■ Hong Ik-pyo: In the process of holding an election, the candidate or now the party's core position is anxious. The closer the election is, the more it is, isn't it? It's very hard to throw out the people who come. So now, they manage it all, but if the candidate does it himself, there are various risks, so there should be bedcop and good cop. Some people try to soothe those who come and ask for help like this, while others play a role of throwing out the camp when they think it's not right, and that's why the camp is operated flexibly. Isn't it a party that has already held presidential elections since 1987? Those parties have know-how. I have experience in such management, and as I said before President Yoon Suk Yeol became a candidate, it is difficult to filter out a person who has such a deep relationship with the candidate. Even if there is a problem, because he is in power of the candidate's door, if he touches it wrong, the power of the people, for example, a senior member of the ruling party, will be caught by the president-elect, so he can't do anything about it.

◆ Sin-ryul: I'll reduce the order of the first part here. We'll continue talking in part two.