Lee Jae-myung, the first trial of perjury on the 25th...Democratic Party of Korea Holds Fourth Outdoor Rally

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Jae-hee
■ Appearance: Lawyer Seo Jeong-wook, Vice Chairman of the People's Communication Committee Kang Sung-pil of the Democratic Party of Korea

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[Anchor]
The first trial ruling on charges of perjury, another judicial risk of Lee Jae-myung of the Democratic Party of Korea, is two days away. Within the Democratic Party, there is an atmosphere that emphasizes a single confrontation but does not stimulate the judiciary. This atmosphere is expected to be maintained at today's fourth outdoor rally. News of the political circle, I'll organize it with the two of you. Attorney Seo Jeong-wook and Kang Sung-pil, vice chairman of the People's Communication Committee of the Democratic Party of Korea. Please come in. The first trial ruling on charges of perjury by Democratic Party Chairman Lee Jae-myung is scheduled for Monday, but with the higher-than-expected sentence of the first trial on charges of violating the election law last week, the first trial ruling on Monday has also become very important for the party.

[Kang Sungpil]
That's right. Regarding the Public Official Election Act on the 15th, we actually had a solid logic of remembering and recognizing people, pressing the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport, and doing it by various laws, so we expected less than 1 million won or not, but we don't know where it went wrong, but the result was unexpected than we thought, so the perjury teacher trial on the 25th, or next Monday, will be a very important trial for us. Because we already have to cross the hurdle lightly once every 15th and prepare for the second hurdle, but we are experiencing considerable difficulties in the first hurdle, so we are seriously looking at the perjury teacher charge.

[Anchor]
The prosecution's judgment is that they asked for false testimony from witnesses, but what would be the most controversial part of the trial?

[Jungwook Seo]
After all, Lee Jae-myung is a failed teacher. This is a failed teacher because Kim Jin-sung has never taught perjury, and even if I did, I failed because Kim Jin-sung did not. I'm defending myself with this logic. But the problem is that Kim Jin-sung, who actually perjured himself, confesses that I must have perjured him. And if you look at the testimony in the past, there was no consultation between Kim Byung-ryang and KBS to drive Lee Jae-myung as the main culprit. However, he testified like this, and the content itself continued to testify that there was a consultation with KBS at the time, even though I don't know who the KBS executive was.

This must be perjury. Then why would he do this perjury? Representative Lee Jae-myung forces Kim Jin-sung to remember that he keeps saying he can't remember, try to recall his memory, try to force him about 12 times. And send me all the materials. Give the summary of the argument and the questionnaire in advance. Depending on that, yes, yes, everything comes out like this. Therefore, Judge Yoo Chang-hoon, who rejected the warrant, also said that it would be clarified. So I'm sure I'll be guilty. Then, the sentence came out half of the prosecution's sentence so far. Kim Hye-kyung is 300 years old and 150 years old, and the election law is two years old and one year old. This time, it's a three-year old, so I expect it to be a year and a half.

[Anchor]
That's what he said.Ma decided that the charges of perjury teachers appear to be cleared when the court rejected the arrest warrant for CEO Lee last year. There are many predictions that this will have an impact.

[Kang Sungpil]
I don't think it will affect us at all in the eyes of our Democratic Party. The reason is very simple. This time, the hearing period took about a year, a month, and 13 months regarding the Lee Jae-myung's Public Official Election Act. However, at that time, Judge Yoo Chang-hoon only prepared for a warrant review for two to three days. So, usually, if the warrant falls on Monday, the warrant will be reviewed around Thursday, and then it will be automatically distributed, and Judge Yoo Chang-hoon did not just examine the warrant for CEO Lee Jae-myung that day. In addition, the entire original transcript that came out recently was judged without being heard by Judge Yoo Chang-hoon at the time, so there are changes after that, so I think there is no problem in the current situation because I literally judge whether there is a risk of destroying evidence or running away from the warrant.

Next, there are three issues related to Lee Jae-myung's representative perjury teacher, after all. The lawyer said one thing earlier, but the other two are that, as Lee Jae-myung claims, Kim Jin-sung testified when there was a backdoor deal between KBS and former Seongnam Mayor Kim Byung-ryang, who was Seongnam Mayor at the time, and when Lee Jae-myung was acquitted under the Public Official Election Act in the past. Then, how much this testimony affected the innocence of Representative Lee Jae-myung at this time. However, there is no evidence of Kim Jin-sung's testimony in the ruling. That's why the issue of this trial is these three, and there's plenty of room to fight in the future, and we still insist that the Democratic Party is not guilty.

[Anchor] If a sentence of
or higher is confirmed, a major change in the power landscape within the opposition party is expected, so there are already voices in the non-party circles that the leader should decide on his future. What do you think of that atmosphere?

[Kang Sungpil]
I'm called a screaming world, but rather than the abstract of a screaming world, I'd like someone to say this with their name properly. However, aside from all that, the head of the party and the head of the Democratic Party are now in crisis, and the party members and the public have no choice but to doubt it as if they are saying this to find their own political advantage without thinking about working together. And in the next presidential election, it cannot be done without Lee Jae-myung, and it cannot be done with Lee Jae-myung alone. That's why we don't know what the results will be on Monday, but as in the past, we can go to the Supreme Court and be acquitted and explained, so we have to wait and see at least two trials even if we make concessions, and I need to see the Supreme Court as well. It's not helpful to talk about who the next leader will be and who the presidential candidate will be replaced with.

[Anchor]
It is common sense that former Democratic Party lawmaker Seol Hoon also resigns. There are many people to represent the party, and lawmaker Choi Min-hee also used radical expressions. How do you see this movement for the screaming world?

[Jungwook Seo]
In the old days, of course, I would throw away my representative position and confidently go to trial as Lee Jae-myung, a natural person, and if I am innocent, I will go to a big boat then. This used to be a practice. There was no such thing as using the party leader as a judicial risk bulletproof. So, former lawmaker Seol Hoon said, "Rep. Lee Jae-myung should resign from using the party for bulletproof purposes, go back to being a natural person and defend it. But if you are found guilty, you will return 43.4 billion won. This is also CEO Lee Jae-myung's personal fault, so return it with personal money. After that, Rep. Choi Min-hee made a absurd remark, saying, "I will kill you with the party members if Ban Jae-myung and Ban Min-myung move."

The anti-Lee Myung-gye forces are 3 guns and 3 Kims. Three, Lee Nak-yeon, Jeong Se-kyun, and Kim Boo-kyum. There are three prime ministers, followed by Kim Dong-yeon, Kim Kyung-soo, and Kim Doo-kwan. Who is Choi Min-hee and how can he kill it? Does this make sense? These inappropriate remarks continue to hamper Representative Lee Jae-myung because this is only causing a disturbance within the party.

[Anchor]
Representative Lee Jae-myung, who has refrained from speaking about the last trial, made a public statement to the judiciary yesterday. Let's hear this and continue talking. It's a little different from the criticism of the judiciary from within the Democratic Party. What do you think?

[Kang Sungpil]
Personally, anyway, on the 15th, there was a bad result regarding the Lee Jae-myung's Public Official Election Act. Then it's definitely strategically wrong. In fact, there is a problem of clarifying the truth, but it is not a matter of political approach outside, but I thought it was necessary to revise it in preparation for future trials, but the Democratic Party has never objected to the outcome of the judiciary's trial.

However, some supreme council members and members of the party expressed their anger that the prosecution itself was wrong, and that the result of the trial itself was wrong. Regardless of the content, there are problems that may offend the middle class or the court, so it seems that the opinion that we should refrain from doing this was accepted because there were voices within the party.

[Anchor]
The 4th outdoor rally to denounce the Yoon Suk Yeol government is scheduled today, and the Democratic Party of Korea has been attending in blue clothes, but let's not wear colored clothes. How do you interpret this?

[Kang Sung-pil]
First of all, it was pointed out that it would be difficult to go anywhere other than that if you wear blue Democratic Party-colored clothes on weekends. And I think if there are groups of blue-clad citizens who want to attend and watch, but if there are blue groups, they may be embarrassed to stand together because they are not members of the party anyway. Also, the flag can be a little dangerous as the flag falls down, and this flag symbolizes the local committee. So, I think we restrained ourselves this time to induce free participation of all citizens because some regions came, didn't come, came a lot, came a lot, came a lot, came a lot, came a little, and there may be unnecessary conflicts.

[Anchor]
The ruling party is pointing out that it's a trick, right?

[Jungwook Seo]
That's right. It's the first time I've seen a color-regulated rally. You'd rather be free to dress up. I'm sure there are people who only have blue clothes, right? But don't wear it, why do you regulate it so uniformly? If you just wear it freely, you will wear it freely with someone in blue, but you shouldn't try to promote fake news that ordinary Koreans participated in it by playing such tricks. If you look at the rally now, all the mobilization orders are issued across the country to attract each district, but if you exclude your own estimate and the police estimate it is about 17,000, 18,000, and 25,000.

In a word, it's a riotous rally. But this time, he took out the flag and the color, and he didn't give a speech. Then why would he hold such a rally? Is there any real benefit to this? It's bullying the party members. There's no real benefit. It's not touching at all. Isn't it a BTS rally only for Lee Jae-myung? You have to get rid of BTS's gutpan. We have to stop now.

It is predicted that the arrest will be executed as soon as the representative of the country is sentenced to the Supreme Court on December 12, and it will be over by then. What are the opposition parties doing now? What kind of help is this? For Lee Jae-myung's representative, BTS. From today, we should stop this kind of rally right away, I see it like this.

[Kang Sungpil]
But what I can't help but object to is that I didn't want to come out to our party members at the rally, so did I force myself to come out? Did you ask? In today's world, even if you give them money, they don't like to lose their time. That's why it comes out voluntarily, and the main purpose of our rally now is not Lee Jae-myung's bulletproof. We keep insisting, but they want Kim Gun-hee to pass the independent counsel law. Shouldn't we at least investigate and prosecute to get a trial and find out whether there is a fault or not? But since they don't get prosecuted, they don't get tried, so they might be guilty or innocent. On the other hand, what about CEO Lee Jae-myung and his wife? Every little thing was investigated and prosecuted and tried. So if there is a legal punishment, you will fight through the first, second, and third trials, and if it doesn't work, you will be responsible. The people want this fair, sanctuary-free legal system.

[Jungwook Seo]
But if I refute it, money? Didn't the money go in? Don't worry about the money while ordering all the mobilization in front of the court's sentencing day. Didn't we mobilize money like this, saying we will give you unlimited money, whether it's for a plane, a ship, or a train? It's in the promotional material. Next, Kim Gun-hee said she would do this because of the special prosecutor, but a few people are coming to the outdoor assembly, but she can't do this. In order to conduct an independent investigation, you have to meet and persuade each member of the People's Power and work within the National Assembly to get votes. After seeing this as an outdoor rally, lawmakers of the People's Power should investigate the case. Will this happen? It's a very wrong strategy.

[Anchor]
The outdoor rally starts in the afternoon. I think we need to look at the atmosphere. Let's take a look at what the people think. I conducted a poll on the first trial's ruling on Lee Jae-myung's violation of the election law last week. There was a result. There was a relatively high opinion that it was a legitimate ruling.There were also many opinions that Ma is unfair. How should I interpret this part?

[Jungwook Seo]
Representative Lee Jae-myung said there are four courts left. It was the remaining court of reality, the court of public opinion, and the court of history. The court of history is what criminals always do, but it's innocent in the court of history, it doesn't mean anything, history. Then there is a court of public opinion and a court of reality, and this shows that representative Lee Jae-myung is a loser in the court of public opinion. The government's approval rating is now in the 20 percent range. If so, it is true that representative Lee Jae-myung is being suppressed by 60 to 70%, and then it is true that the legitimate execution is in the 20% range. If you think about our regime's approval rating and vice versa. Nevertheless, the NBS indicator is appropriate at 49.

Our Yoon Suk Yeol president's approval rating is in the 20% range. Then, the rest of the 20 percent can be considered to be in the middle. Isn't this a poll that shows that all middle-class and common-sense people are already guilty of Representative Lee Jae-myung in the court of public sentiment? It's a real court from now on. Of course, it'll be dismissed. The public opinion court is not something to be talked about, if you look at the polls. Look at it like this.

[Anchor]
I think the Democratic Party will interpret it differently.

[Kang Sungpil]
First of all, I would like to tell you that maintaining the 20% range for two consecutive weeks is not a pride. First of all, looking at the positive evaluation, the diplomatic part of the positive evaluation is very high at 39%. I'm sorry, but the reason is that there was any special achievement in diplomacy this time? You didn't. Anyway, since the president went on an overseas trip and was not involved in domestic politics, and Mrs. Kim Gun-hee did not follow the trip, I think we gave a good score of 39% in diplomacy, and then we look at the job performance evaluation. 6 percent of people aged 18 to 29 are positive. Those in their 40s and those in their 40s, which are the main pillars of Korea's economy, account for 7%. So, I think the recovery from the 60s, 70s, and Daegu-Gyeongbuk has gone up to this point because the close and pro-Yoon forces attacked Lee Jae-myung on the 15th over the results of the first trial of the Lee Jae-myung Public Official Election Act.

Of course, I don't know what else will come out from the results of the trial on Monday, but in conclusion, if we fail to address the risks related to the Kim Gun-hee Special Counsel Act, the president's evaluation of state affairs will remain in the 20% range anyway.

[Anchor]
You mentioned the contents of President Yoon Suk Yeol's national approval rating poll, and we'll show it graphically. It's 20% positive. The negativity was found to be 72%. As you explained, representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk has begun in earnest, but there is no significant change in the president's approval rating. Let's keep looking at party approval ratings as well. a party approval rating The power of the people increased by 1 percentage point from last week. It's 28%. In this way, there is no reflective benefit effect from CEO Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk, should I look at it like this?

[Jungwook Seo]
Just because representative Lee Jae-myung has a judicial risk does not mean that the president's approval rating will skyrocket. There are people who criticized both sides. However, the meaning of the approval rating stopped falling. And then it's slowly, but it's quite a rebound, which is quite significant. Originally, there were many concerns that it would fall further when it fell to 17, based on Gallup. But there was a simple and honest statement from the president and a press conference. Since then, the conservatives have apologized quite well enough. Now we have to rally, there's this movement, so as conservatives gathered around TK and Daegu and Gyeongbuk, Gallup also rose 3% and recovered to the 20% level. Other polls are also going up quite a bit, which is what's important. And then secondly, the party approval rating is that Democrats should be ashamed of this. There's about a 6% difference here, but there's something similar or flipping.

I mean, the public sentiment of 170 seats in the general election keeps going on and on, and then 108 seats and 170 seats should be that different. It's not like that. Rather, despite President Yoon Suk Yeol's declining approval rating, the Democratic Party is not gaining any reflective profits. In the end, the people criticize the Yoon administration, but representative Lee Jae-myung also has no judicial risk problem. It shows this reality that neither the Democratic Party can be an alternative, nor both are supported by the people.

[Anchor]
Let's also look at the power of the people. The factional conflict is reigniting due to the controversy over the party's bulletin board, and at a time when representative Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk is being highlighted, the ruling party should be united, but some point out that the controversy over the bulletin board is dragging on for a long time.

[Jungwook Seo]
This is entirely the responsibility of Han Dong-hoon. When you became an issue, you said, "It's Han Dong-hoon with the same name, I'm not." Then, at the moment when the family would have been a problem, it is not my family, it is the same name. If you're a person with the same name, that's how it's confirmed. But I couldn't say that. This means that the family's name is real, and I see it like this. It's true. It's not real, it's the same name, and if it's stolen, I'll sue you, and if it's the real same name, you said you're the same name, too. So can't you check it out? So, from CEO Han Dong-hoon's point of view, his family is right and it's a problem, so how to break through this? If you delay the police investigation while dragging your feet because you keep playing tricks and tricks, the police will not be able to drop the search warrant from the court with this much. If it doesn't fall off, it's going to get buried as a permanent cosmetic. They keep using tricks like this. This is the wrong advice from the staff.

This is not a matter of police investigation or party audit, but the first thing to come out is a sincere confession from CEO Han Dong-hoon. My family is right to do this, and I'm sorry for this and I'm really sorry for the party members and the people, Mr. President. You have to check this first before you leave. As the police investigation continues to be postponed, the controversy continues to snowball.

[Anchor]
It has been pointed out that he is not actively responding like CEO Han Dong-hoon. I think it will hurt your leadership, what do you think?

[Kang Sungpil]
Personally, I think CEO Han Dong-hoon's leadership and image have already been hurt a lot. It is difficult for politicians to change their image once it is set, but this time, Han Dong-hoon, who is famous for his inability to tolerate attacks against him, accurately said he did not do it, but what would be silent about his family? That's why many politicians say that some politicians risk their political lives to reveal this. And I'm pretty poor with the excuse logic for talking about this. So I can't relate to it. That's why I think it's good for political development for Han Dong-hoon to reveal himself instead of making many people tired even now.

[Anchor]
I see. I looked at the news of the political circle. Attorney Seo Jeong-wook and Kang Sung-pil, vice chairman of the Democratic Party of Korea's National Communication Committee. Thank you.