[Politics ON] Kwon Seong-dong and Lee Jae-myung...What is the ruling and opposition parties' intention of the Constitutional Court's composition of "6 vs. 9"?

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■ Appearance: Kim Jae-won, former member of the People's Power Supreme Council, Shin Hyun-young, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea,

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[Anchor]
As the investigation into the civil war is speeding up, the ruling and opposition politicians continue to engage in a tug-of-war over the constitution for President Yoon's impeachment trial.

Let's start the politics that looks at the outside and the inside of politics.

Let's analyze the chaotic impeachment situation with Kim Jae-won, former member of the Supreme Council of People's Power, and Shin Hyun-young, former member of the Democratic Party of Korea.

Welcome. Hello,

A little while ago, I met with floor leader Kwon Sung-dong and Democratic Party leader Lee Jae-myung. This is the first meeting between the leaders of the ruling and opposition parties since the approval of President Yoon's impeachment. Today's meeting was expected to discuss ways to deal with the political situation. Let's hear what kind of words went back and forth.

[Kwon Seong-dong / Acting People's Power: If the legislature only refrains from excessive competition and puts its heads together for the sake of people's livelihood and security, it will be able to settle this mess. That's what I think. He is in his seventh president since the 1987 Constitution, and it is true that few presidents are evaluated as doing well. Now is the time to change the all or nothing, presidential system to a win-win system that can reflect more people's opinions. Looking at it now, a total of 14 impeachment bills are pending in the Constitutional Court, including Choi Sang-sa, chairman of the Board of Audit and Inspection, Park Sung-jae. On top of that, I wonder when the Constitutional Court will be able to handle all these cases as it goes to the impeachment motion of the president. ]

[Lee Jae-myung / Democratic Party leader: Unfortunately, it's not politics, it's a war. I think the most important thing is the swift return of the constitutional order. Since the agency system is not perfect, at times like this, the National Assembly and the two parties and all political forces can join forces to stabilize the state of affairs so that we don't have a crisis. I think our representative Kwon Sung-dong seems to be a little pessimistic in the National Security Council I proposed, so we can make concessions to the necessary parts. The discussion and discussion at the time actually doesn't seem to be going very well. I hope we can make a passage for that. ]

[Anchor]
A lot of things have been said today. There was also talk of constitutional amendment. The meeting lasted about 45 minutes, but there are many talks about the constitution of the Constitution, so I'm not sure if we have reached an agreement on this. How was the atmosphere?

[Kim Jaewon]
I don't think there was much talk about that. When the floor leaders met yesterday, they were in charge of the strategy of the National Assembly, so of course, they had to collide, but first of all, Lee Jae-myung and Park Chan-dae seem to have a division of roles. Representative Lee Jae-myung may have a presidential election soon, so he has to show a better image to the people than he has been, and unlike representative Lee Jae-myung, floor leader Park Chan-dae appeared to be under the order of representative Lee Jae-myung. So, we often use the expression "Good Cop Bad Cop," but Park Chan-dae, the floor leader, does all the bad things, and now Lee Jae-myung said something elegant. Nevertheless, instead of expressing it as the ruling party and the opposition party, the first and second parties secretly imply that we are more influential not only in the power of the National Assembly but also in the power of the government, and the issue of the state council is stipulated in the party-government council under the order of the prime minister in our legal system. The party-government consultation regulation itself calls the party to which the president belongs to the ruling party, and major policies and budgets are discussed in advance through party-government consultations with the party to which the president belongs and reflected them in state administration, ignoring such regulations, so we are the first party, so we also have national consultations.

[Anchor]
He said that it is possible to make concessions if necessary for the State Security Council.

[Kim Jaewon]
So, they say they will make concessions if they proceed with the National Security Council, so what is there to make? In the end, we'll push ahead with the majority vote. So that aspect itself was actually a good face on the outside, but when you go inside, you have the same problem.

[Anchor]
The outside and the inside of politics can be different.Ma is in a situation where the ruling and opposition parties need to put their heads together.

[Kim Jaewon]
So, the ruling and opposition parties can put their heads together, but they did not even recognize the ruling party's status, and floor leader Kwon Sung-dong also talked about it, but the number of impeachment cases by the Constitutional Court is 14. And the government continues to push through bills that are unacceptable from the perspective of the administration in charge of state affairs with a majority vote, so it's actually up to power. So I think that's a little difficult situation.

[Anchor]
Rep. Shin Hyun-young is acting as the party leader, so the ruling and opposition parties of the party leader met. What did you think?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
So, lawmaker Kwon Sung-dong is now acting as the floor leader and the party leader, so he can play the role of a good cop and a bad cop at the same time. In a way, it's a good situation to unleash his ability. And since Representative Lee Jae-myung and Acting Floor Leader Kwon Sung-dong prepared for the same university and exam together, I think the atmosphere could have been softer than yesterday because they have personal friendship. In particular, we need to restore politics now. And I understand that the ruling and opposition parties have expressed the same common voice in terms of stabilizing state affairs.

Then, even if we are really at war, what will we do for the people's livelihood and economy? If both parties have the will, the power of the people is not obsessed with the ruling party, but how to actually take care of the people's livelihoods, and of course, cooperation with the opposition party is necessary in this regard. Therefore, in the case of acting Kwon Sung-dong, it was also discussed at a closed meeting to implement the Special Act on Semiconductors, the Act on Electrical Network Expansion, and such policy together.

Also, the cancellation of the impeachment motion and the appointment of the defense minister. If you look at it now, the power of the people has more complaints from the Democratic Party. In order to implement such things, it is not a national council, but a council for stabilizing state affairs. Of course, it is important for the ruling and opposition parties to communicate and consult within the National Assembly, so in that sense, it is Lee Jae-myung's proposal to hold hands with each other. As he said he would give up a lot if necessary and make concessions, he should think about what more he can implement rather than losing state administration to the Democratic Party of Korea with such a sense of damage, and since Kwon Sung-dong said he would discuss the National Security Council through a general meeting, I expect a change in the people's power.

[Anchor]
I see. It was our first meeting today. And in the case of the power of the people, there is a possibility that the chairman of the emergency committee will be announced shortly. There is a possibility that floor leader Kwon Sung-dong will take over.

However, the biggest issue is the appointment of three constitutional judges to the National Assembly. Now, floor leader Kwon Sung-dong is arguing that acting Han Deok-soo should not appoint him, and the Democratic Party should appoint him. Former Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won is a legal professional. How do you see it?

[Kim Jaewon]
This has been discussed a lot legally. It's a little different now from what we talked about eight years ago. both sides The Democratic Party strongly insisted at the time that it should never be appointed. Floor leader Choo Mi-ae, who was the party leader at the time.

[Anchor]
I heard it was up to the president then.

[Kim Jaewon]
Not only the president's share, but also the chief justice's share of the Supreme Court's recommendation was attacking with the same logic. However, the common position of those who have been legally controversial has actually solved this problem with the logic of whether the president stands or is an accident. Didn't the president quit the presidency if impeachment was cited, for example? At this time, it is okay to appoint the acting president because it is a vacancy, but in the case of an accident, for example, the president is in the presidential office but cannot perform his or her duties. In the past, during surgery, for a short period of general anesthesia, these cases were treated as accidents. At that time, there were cases such as a national emergency in which the prime minister temporarily took over the right to operate state affairs. In the case of the United States, there was a story that President Reagan was going to have surgery when he was shot, and in this case, he transferred a nuclear bag. In such a case, it is carried out only in a limited way, so if a constitutional judge or Supreme Court justice is appointed at this moment, there is a problem. I'm trying to solve it now with this controversy. Then, in my view, the constitutional judges appointed by the National Assembly have the right to appoint them. Then, the reason why this part is controversial is that there have been times in the past when the Democratic Party of Korea insisted that the same issue should never be appointed.

[Anchor]
Didn't you say at the time that the power of the people should be appointed?

[Kim Jaewon]
It was like that then. So it's good to take this opportunity to settle this controversy. I think Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, is making such an argument in terms of floor strategy. In other words, the Democratic Party of Korea argues that the acting president needs to appoint it now and that it should be appointed is the same as the logic that if the logic is maintained, the right to veto legislation can be exercised. However, there is also a little thought that the issue is that if the right to veto the bill is exercised, it will be impeached, so I think they are intentionally making this argument now. Anyway, I think this problem is a process of organizing. Personally, this issue will be resolved soon, and I think the floor leader of the People's Power Party is doing it because he needs to make such an argument in the floor strategy.

[Anchor]
A lot of articles came out today.Ma said that the Constitutional Court can also appoint an acting president. Also, three candidates and three candidates for the Constitutional Court were in the same position.

[Kim Jaewon]
At that time, even in the case of representative Hwang Kyo-ahn, he did not appoint a constitutional judge that could be appointed by the president, and the constitutional judge recommended by the chief justice later was appointed after the president was cited for impeachment. So at that time, there is a precedent that it was not appointed even in the event of an accident. So, this problem can be handled in this way and that way, but I think it's not a problem that can be just done due to controversy, and I think the direction will be set reasonably.

[Anchor]
I see. I will also ask Rep. Shin Hyun-young. The Democratic Party criticized that they were trying to get impeachment trial with six people, and that they were actually trying to save Yoon Suk Yeol's president.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
That's right. With nine more constitutional judges, judging the impeachment motion and the president is the most reasonable and common sense for the public. However, the public has no choice but to criticize that the power of the people is interfering with the appointment of the Constitutional Court justice and trying to dismiss the impeachment without agreeing to it. The more they show such behavior, the more they will continue to withdraw their support for the power of the people. If so, the party does not admit that something is wrong with the emergency martial law and the impeachment prosecution, and still does not have the will to restore the state of crisis. I have no choice but to criticize whether I am playing an appropriate role as a ruling party and a sound political party of conservatives. As you said, there is a perception that there is a problem because the public has already verified the 180-degree change in the words of Rep. Kwon Sung-dong in 2017 and Rep. Kwon Sung-dong in 2024. In fact, even a constitutional member named Cho Hyun-chang, who was recommended by the People's Power, can now be appointed as a constitutional member, and as many constitutional scholars and legal scholars say that they should be appointed, I think acting Han Deok-soo will judge this wisely and then appoint it.

[Anchor]
I see. I have another question about this. Six bills, including the Grain Management Act. There's also the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act. There is also the Kim Gun-hee Special Prosecutor Act. As for the possibility of such veto, the Democratic Party should not exercise veto, right?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
So don't be tough on acting chief Han Deok-soo right now. It's the president's...

[Anchor]
Appoint a constitutional judge and do not veto it?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
It's a method of pressuring Prime Minister Han Deok-soo while claiming that and even talking about impeachment. In this regard, I think we will probably make a judgment on how the bill's impact on our society will encourage more conflict or really make the Republic of Korea healthier when Acting President Han Deok-soo vetoed it and did not. Instead of judging like an avatar of President Yoon Suk Yeol, the meaning of the veto at this point is another meaning, so I think we will seriously think about what this means for Korea and the people's livelihoods. There will be a considerable burden. Therefore, if the National Assembly creates a National Assembly Security Council and things like this, and the ruling and opposition parties can communicate well with Chairman Woo Won-sik, they can discuss it again there. I think there was a wind in that area. In the current situation, it is far away, so it will go up at the Cabinet meeting on the 21st. I think we should wait for that decision.

[Anchor]
Kim Jae Won, what do you think about the best? Possibility of this veto?

[Kim Jaewon]
But aren't you making a claim with such ridiculous logic? Then you shouldn't even appoint a constitutional judge. I heard it's presidential authority. However, the Constitutional Court asked the president to appoint him, and he said, "If the person acting as president talks like a service company and touches the owner's goods, it's a thief." How ridiculous is the current situation? Then, of course, it is the authority of the president, but we should not appoint a constitutional judge. Because of that argument, representative Kwon Sung-dong had no choice but to say, "That's good," not to appoint a constitutional judge. Furthermore, with this logic, seven years ago and eight years ago, when Hwang Kyo-ahn, then acting president, Choo Mi-ae, floor leader Woo Sang-ho, Park Beom-gye, and Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party strongly insisted that the Constitutional Court should never be appointed. And now this logic is kind of threatening to claim the advantages and to impeach if you veto it. I think the people will pay attention to this in the future as they threaten the state of affairs itself so unprincipledly and show off their power with it.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think I should say something, but lawmaker Choo Mi-ae made her position clear, and in 2017, it was up to the president to appoint Park Han-chul, the chief justice of the Constitutional Court, so I opposed the president's share because it was an active exercise of presidential authority over the acting president, not the Supreme Court's share.

[Anchor]
Thank you.

Today, former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min was interviewed, and both the ruling and opposition parties pointed out that it is internal and external. The emergency committee chairman of the People's Power, who will lead the emergency committee with the resignation of former representative Han Dong-hoon after the impeachment, is likely to be decided at the general meeting in a while. There are a lot of stories. It is said that a plan has also been proposed for Kwon Sung-dong, the floor leader, to concurrently serve as the chairman of the emergency committee until the impeachment process is settled. Former lawmaker Yoo Seung Min also talked about the current situation of people's power. Let's listen to it.

[Yoo Seung Min / All People's Power (SBS Radio's 'Kim Tae-hyun's Political Show') : He committed rebellion and did anti-constitutional emergency martial law, but nevertheless on the grounds that he belongs to his party. Whether it's the river of impeachment or the sea of martial law, we have to cross it if we want to be reborn as a conservative party with sound people's power, but we haven't crossed it yet. Now we need to find a new way to go about conservatism. Why do conservatives destroy the Constitution and destroy communities? Look at CEO Lee Jae-myung doing it now. You're completely trying your best to avoid the court sending you an invoice. So both of you are people who did the law, but I think President Yoon Suk Yeol and Representative Lee Jae-myung are the same. ]

[Anchor]
The chairman of the emergency committee of the People's Power, he may be appointed by the current parliamentary committee, he may be appointed next week, or there may be a delay in time. Have you heard of the situation within the party?

[Kim Jaewon]
It may be difficult to elect someone directly from the general assembly. Rather than electing a particular person on the spot, you could say in general, "Let's elect a person like this by gathering the consensus of these lawmakers."

[Anchor]
Isn't there a need for a procedure like a national committee?

[Kim Jaewon]
So, since the floor leader is now acting as the party leader, the acting party leader can recommend it to the national committee and the acting party leader can actually exercise the right to nominate, either formally or practically. And it goes through the resolution of the Standing National Committee and the National Committee. In this situation, the power of the people is actually the mainstream of the conservative party, and both the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, who we elected this time, and the former president of Park Geun Hye, who we elected just before, are impeached. And the president of Lee Myung Bak, who had been elected before that, was arrested after his term in office and deprived of his authority. If this happens, the conservative party or conservative camp as a whole is on the verge of collapse. What would voters say if President Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment were cited and he ran an early presidential election again, and asked them to help us get back into power in our party? No, what kind of president did you pick and you were impeached twice, and the former president was arrested after leaving office. Aren't you going to ask why you're trying to take power again? Because it is in such a difficult position, it is actually difficult to maintain the battle line and it is not easy to adjust the inside.

So, I'm doing various internal tracking right now, and lawmaker Yoo Seung Min is a bystander, so you can attack various things. He even used the expression that if a senior member who opposed impeachment takes the chairmanship of the emergency committee, the party goes to the goal. Representative Yoo Seung Min led the impeachment in the past and went to the goal. And even now, the party is only attacking the party, but it's not because it doesn't know such criticism and criticism, and it's still hard to catch up on the inside, and the emergency chairman is an emergency measure, isn't it? So, if the president is impeached right now and the party has internal strife, and it is the process of selecting who can show leadership even for a short period of time, who can do it effectively? If there is anyone who agrees with Yoo Seung Min and many in the party and the people agree, why wouldn't they go to see him? Since this is not the case in reality, I understand that there is a story like this, saying that let's first appoint a senior member of the party to find a central point now.

[Anchor]
Kwon Young-se, a five-term lawmaker, is on the rise, and Joo Ho-young, a six-term deputy speaker of the National Assembly, is also on the rise. Some criticize that if the chairman of the emergency committee comes out from the pro-Yoon-gye, the public will be convinced.

[Kim Jaewon]
So I fully sympathize with that point. And some of those who go further and stand on the other side of the party will criticize that if they do so, they will drive Han Dong-hoon out of the pro-Yoon world and are blind to taking power. I also think it would be good to fully foresee that and elect a chairman of the emergency committee. As I said earlier, however, if we are that free, we should have discussions in all directions, but now we are so realistic.

[Anchor]
Then, do you think there is a high possibility that he will become a senior member of the pro-Yoon-gye council?

[Kim Jaewon]
I don't know who it will be, but I think the lawmakers or the current floor leader will consider that and think about it.

[Anchor]
Rep. Shin Hyun-young is the other party.Who do you think Ma will be and how do you see it?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
First of all, we need to find someone who can lead the leadership of change and reform that can rebuild the power of the people as a sound Conservative Party. But I don't think it's going to be pro-Yoon. The image of floor leader Kwon Sung-dong is not important at this time, but leadership that can reform conservatives as a party that meets the public's expectations is very urgent. Nevertheless, if so, it is not a crime of rebellion from the public's point of view, and are they still bulletproofing the Yoon Suk Yeol? I'm criticizing the power of the people in this area. If the presidential election is really early, the candidates of people's power and conservatism will be shameless in asking local residents for a vote.

That's why even now, Yoo Seung Min is facing a lot of political difficulties with this frame of betrayal, but I think he was able to become president of Yoon Suk Yeol after Moon Jae In because of his conservative efforts to cross the river of impeachment after President Park Geun Hye was impeached. Then, we are cautious because we are the other party, but there is a hope that the counterpart should do good politics to create a competitive structure in which our party can realize sound and good politics, so isn't there about 20 and 90 out of the 108 members of the People's Power divided? I hope you don't undercut your efforts to reform the party while stressing the voices of 90 people too much. In that sense, I look forward to seeing a reasonable personnel appointment as a leader.

[Anchor]
I think I'm deeply concerned about whether it's stability and integration or reform and reform. I'll let you know if there's any breaking news.

However, Representative Shin Hyun-young and former Representative Yoo Seung Min talked about their similarities with President Yoon and Representative Lee Jae-myung. What do you think about the criticism that they're dragging each other's feet?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think we can do a calculation of our own political clocks. In that regard, of course, I think Representative Yoo Seung Min can criticize both sides in the neutral zone. I think both sides should also think about how those aspects will eventually be seen by the people. I think President Yoon Suk Yeol should be criticized for his failure to do so, and Lee Jae-myung should seriously consider what is appropriate in order to appear as the next president.

[Anchor]
In the breaking news in the political circle, there is a story of bed soccer. Some point out that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol may also be dragging his feet.

[Kim Jaewon]
President Yoon Suk Yeol's case and Representative Lee Jae-myung's current appearance look similar, but they are completely different. Because in the case of President Yoon Suk Yeol, he did not receive a subpoena from the prosecution now, but refused to receive it now when the subpoena came from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. But if you look at the news again today, the prosecution's investigation of rebellion was transferred to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Then, no one analyzes why this happened, but President Yoon Suk Yeol can only investigate the crime of rebellion. Under our Constitution, prosecution can only be made for crimes of rebellion and foreign exchange. However, the prosecution does not have the right to investigate rebellion. Nevertheless, haven't the prosecution, the police, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit rushed in and sent subpoenas to investigate each other and played all kinds of media? However, in the end, the prosecution admitted that they did not have the right to investigate and now transferred to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The problem is that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not have the right to investigate rebellion. So on this point, we can ask the investigation agencies to decide how the president responds to the investigation. But they don't tell you about that.

Didn't the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court's Office of Court Administration also respond at the National Assembly that the investigative agency for civil war is the police? That's why investigative agencies can't talk about subpoenas here and there for their power struggles. And the other thing is, no matter how much you delay it by a day or two, President Yoon has no choice but to accept it even if he postpones the investigation or impeachment trial. However, we can have a day or two to spare when we are not ready. On the other hand, CEO Lee Jae-myung is running away to not receive a notice of receipt of the litigation record when he is on appeal because the trial is already underway. This is because if there is an early presidential election after a certain period of time, he will not be tried at all and will not be accepted as a presidential candidate. Usually, there are bad creditors or people who run away to avoid paying taxes when they watch TV. There are people who lock the door and continue to endure it, and later when they open the door and go in, they hide gold at home.

Similarly, in order to be tried, the judgment is sentenced in the first trial and goes to the appeals court, but if the notice of receipt of the litigation record is delivered to the defendant at the appeal trial, the trial date is set and proceeds from then on, and the trial cannot proceed unless it is received. The Supreme Court's rule, which says it will be sentenced within three months, is in effect, and to postpone this, the court will lock the door and not open it to avoid receiving the registered mail, or the absence of a mysterious palindrome because he moved because he moved, and now the court will force Lee Jae-myung to deliver the documents. Then the whole nation knows where representative Lee Jae-myung is. When the Democratic Party of Korea meets, the housekeeper follows you and the housekeeper follows you and gives it to you directly. This is not the job of the leader of the main opposition party and a strong presidential candidate. So I think it's a different issue, but the timing is similar, so it's a situation where we're being criticized together.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
I think I should refute it, too. So I would like to criticize President Yoon Suk Yeol for his time-consuming operation that there is a more serious problem with his impeachment. In fact, the subpoena is also a subpoena, but isn't the subpoena also a joint investigation headquarters? So the Ministry of National Defense, the police, and the Airborne Division are subpoenas as joint headquarters, so if you don't comply with this, you may end up being arrested. That's why I think we should respond quickly and show sincerity in taking responsibility for our mistakes to the people. In particular, it is the President of Yoon Suk Yeol who is not currently receiving a request for an answer to the impeachment trial. In that regard, the deadline is now set for the 27th and the response must be received by the 24th, and there are concerns that the argument on impeachment will be delayed, so the more anger the Yoon Suk Yeol does not receive it, the greater the public's anger. So I think the scale is clearly different from that of CEO Lee Jae-myung.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you very much. I believe that our people will judge well.

Meanwhile, Park Joo-min, a lawmaker of the Democratic Party of Korea, met with Myung Tae-kyun in connection with allegations of intervention in the nomination and Myung Tae-kyun. We met yesterday. He said in a radio interview how he came into contact with Myung on a radio show and what he talked about. I'll listen to it myself.

[Park Joo-min / Rep. of the Democratic Party of Korea (CBS Radio 'Kim Hyun-jung's News Show'): You don't even know (from Myung Tae-kyun). When I asked why it was me, he told me about what made Kim Gun-hee change her schedule when she went to Cambodia. He said that he had that ability, and he felt that he had been looking at the Democratic Party's list of lawmakers, and that he felt that when he saw my name, he felt that. (What stories have come and gone? ) He talked about his thoughts and views on history, his situation, and his current and future political schedule. You've said a lot. We talked a lot. I think you can think of it like this, saying that you have talked about past cases that you judged to be worth thinking about in conjunction with the current situation. ]

[Anchor]
You heard an interview with Representative Park Joo-min. The so-called "golden phone" by Myung Taekyun. It is a phone that has the possibility of phone calls and recordings, including major politicians, President Yoon. I submitted three of these golden phones and one USB to the prosecution. But at first, I was interested in giving it to the Democratic Party. However, I met with Representative Park Joo-min and talked about many things, but Representative Park Joo-min has not revealed it in detail. Have you heard anything?

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Because Myung Taekyun asked me to keep it a secret. But I think I can guess. I don't know what Myung Tae-kyun's feeling means, but I think he has trust in Representative Park Joo-min. In fact, although there are many interpretations, Myung Tae-kyun was arrested on November 15, and he said that if I was arrested in a month, the regime would collapse, but in a month, President Yoon Suk Yeol was impeached. I think that's how it feels. Originally, lawmaker Park Joo-min asked me to come on December 12th. But I went there on the 17th.
We call December 12th the December 12th incident, but I think it was a statement that aroused more public anger when President Yoon Suk Yeol made a public statement on why I did emergency martial law. This golden phone, when it became an issue from the beginning, if I still had this phone, this is my lawyer, and I will provide it to the Democratic Party or the media. I once said that's the way to protect me. You don't trust the prosecution. So, in the situation where he is currently in prison, it is very interesting to see what will come out when the golden phone is forensics and restored, but it is known that President Yoon Suk Yeol instructs Representative Yoon Sang-hyun about the nomination.

[Anchor]
That's what the lawyer said.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
In that regard, I think this can also be a very important clue to bringing about a considerable distrust of the current administration. Maybe he shared that with Rep. Park Joo-min. And there are doubts that he is trying to form solidarity with the Democratic Party that can protect him because he can't look forward to it while looking at the regime, but Kang Hye-kyung has testified at the Democratic Party of Korea and played various roles, but the Democratic Party is not so easy because it is a different testimony from Myung Tae-kyun. And if there is a clear problem with political intervention and nomination on this issue, I think it should be properly investigated so that the problems with First Lady Kim Gun-hee and President Yoon Suk Yeol can be revealed in the end.

[Anchor]
Myung Tae-kyun will not be investigated by the prosecution before the recent martial law incident. There was also a time when the special prosecutor said he wanted the investigation to be conducted.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
Rather, he argued paradoxically that an independent counsel was needed.

[Anchor]
I see. Supreme Council member Kim Jae-won, why and what do you think Myung Tae-kyun would have talked about with Rep. Park Ju-min?

[Kim Jaewon]
Myung Tae-kyun, most of what that person has said so far was that he threatened others to save himself. And the basis for that threat is someone else's voice recorded on his phone. And that's a vicious political broker who took money from other people, political aspirants, or former lawmaker Kim Young-sun in relation to the nomination. That's why he threatened the president and threatened the first lady of the president to hide his irregularities or to be excused, and now he's in prison.

Then there is only one purpose right now. something for one's own life And isn't it not that my lawyer is nothing else but someone else's voice in this smartphone that he has named as a golden phone in his expression? So I've been claiming until now, but now I'm out of prison. And you'll have to be judged legally. And what's more, the fact that he is talking about as if he is a tremendous evidence has also come out as a lawyer's story, which means that President Yoon himself named Yoon Sang-hyun, then chairman of the mission committee, and that I will direct him to Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun.

Even if it exists, even if it has its voice, there is nothing that increases President Yoon's illegality, and it just reinforces the fact that Myung Tae-kyun took money for his involvement in the nomination. However, he continued to threaten me because he thought he would not be arrested and be pardoned if he threatened the situation when President Yoon was in the presidency and could control the right to investigate. And what's actually said at the time was that I asked for help with my family's life without sending me to prison. But now that it's all in vain and impeached, what I'm saying now is that if the emergency martial law had been successful, he would have been shot dead, just imagining it is a kind of paranoia in his own world.

So I don't know what this argument will be about in the future. However, in the end, the content itself is very important to Myung Tae-kyun. It is argued that this is a big national problem and there will be a lot of influence when it is disclosed, but most of the contents are about the voice of the opposition party's last help because they were unsuccessful in self-saving campaigns. Now that the president is being investigated for rebellion, would this have a big effect? I don't think he'll succeed very much.

[Anchor]
Many people are curious about what the golden phone contains. First of all, he met with Rep. Park Joo-min of the Democratic Party and talked about various things. The prosecution is securing a golden phone.

Wait a minute, I'll give you a breaking news. The prosecution reported on the news that the prosecution arrested a health judge at this time yesterday. There's a news report that you've also requested a warrant. It's a combination of virtual asset crimes at the Seoul Southern District Prosecutors' Office. Today, Jeon is accused of violating the Political Fund Act by receiving hundreds of millions of political funds in connection with the recommendation of candidates by political parties during the 2018 local elections. He is called Geonjinbeop, but his name is Jeon. Breaking news that I arrested Mr. Jeon and requested an arrest warrant, I just heard. It is said to have received illegal political funds from people who wanted to run for local elections during the 2018 local elections. I'll let you know again when I get additional breaking news regarding this.

Is the Buddhist monk close to President Yoon and his wife?

[Kim Jaewon]
But 2018 was when President Yoon Suk Yeol was the chief of the Seoul Central District Prosecutors' Office. I just don't know why there are so many scammers around President Yoon Suk Yeol that make this news. That's probably not related to President Yoon, and it's like a simple political broker or a scammer, but Myung Tae-kyun and a health inspector are all the same scammers.

[Hyunyoung Shin]
So, I should have managed people around me well since the presidential camp in Yoon Suk Yeol, and I should have appointed good people to lead the Republic of Korea, but looking back at the current situation, I think it is a pity that the Republic of Korea has retreated a lot for two and a half years, and I look forward to the precious time to recover it again soon.

[Anchor]
I see. I'll stop listening to you two. Thank you very much.

Kim Jae-won, former member of the Supreme Council of People's Power, and Shin Hyun-young, former member of the Democratic Party. I slept well. Thank you.