Kim Minha "Tractor protest?" Conservative Politics Always Describes Our Rally Culture 'Backward'

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: December 23, 2024 (Monday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Major General Jang Sung-chul, Critic of Current Affairs Kim Min-ha

Kim Min-ha
- Conservative politics always describes the culture of our assembly as 'regressive'
- The 尹 of holding out enough 'maturity'
- seems to be buying time for a public opinion war
- 與 should express a 'firm position' to defend the independent counsel
- impeachment of Han Deok-soo? Political consultative body of ruling and opposition parties should demonstrate its operation

Jang Jang-cheol
- Yun Sang-hyun? You need to wake up
- Kwon Sung-dong, contradictory remarks... 與 incomprehensible behavior
- Was there shamanic advice, a 尹 who did not receive a request for attendance
- Han Deok-soo ahead of the 'right to veto' should be selected at the public's level
- Han Deok-soo's impeachment when exercising his veto? a misjudgment of the Democratic Party

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◇Shin Yul: Shin Yul's news head-to-head match from YTN Radio will start with Political Kim & Chang in the first part. Let me introduce the two of you who will be with me today. First, Jang Sung-chul, director of the Public Opinion Center, is here. How are you?

■Jang Sung-chul: Yes, hello.

◇ Shin Yul: And Kim Min-ha is a current affairs critic. Please come in.

□Kim Min-ha: Hello.

◇Mystery: Farmers are protesting tractors, and now both sides of our country are shouting different cries. How are you watching it?

□ Kim Min-ha: I think it's natural and good for the people to express their opinions in public, but isn't it always a question of how it is reflected in the real political space? It's good if the people just express their intentions purely and the politics take them productively and take them in the right direction. Now, President Yoon Suk Yeol has declared an illegal emergency martial law, and there is a situation where we have to decide how to deal with it and where to go in the future in Korea. But let's end this situation quickly on one side, of course, so impeachment should be cited now, and the side that demands impeachment citations. And I need to hurry up and make a new Korea. While speaking out like this, the other side is approaching the situation itself as wrong as it deserves to declare martial law, isn't it? However, going in that direction is not a way to productively digest the current situation because people's power or conservative politics seem to interpret it now for some purpose or context to defend the current situation. Rather, if the people's power and conservative politics begin to digest in that direction, the situation will not be solved and the voices of citizens on the streets will become more and more extreme, so any response or such of the people's power should be changed in a way that can solve the situation responsibly. Let me tell you this.

■ Jang Sung-chul: I think the professor said it was an era of division, but I think it's an era of barbarism beyond division. It's possible to argue when you're divided. You can talk to each other and let's talk. I'll listen to it. But I can tell you to think about it like this, but now I don't think I'm just trying to demonize the other person completely. I think I just defined it as an enemy. So I'm worried that if I do something wrong, such a Gwanghwamun rally or a Yeouido rally will be violent, because I'm a little worried that if the result I want doesn't come out, I'll be violent. So I'm very worried that such things as unconditional rejection of the other person will happen, but there's a demonstration by tractor farmers. I think we should think about that. I wanted President Yoon Suk Yeol to be impeached more than anyone else, and I also think that if he is investigated and investigated quickly and refuses to do so, he should be arrested. And I think we need to investigate in custody. However, when farmers in South Gyeongsang Province and South Jeolla Province try to enter Seoul by dragging about 30 tractors and occupying highways, I wonder if it is right to do so in order to reflect the will of the public that they want. That's why you go about 2-30km. Then those who have to go to the hospital in a hurry may not be able to go to the hospital. I have to go to sign an important contract, but I may be late even if I go to sign such a contract where our company's life and death is at stake in my lifetime. So the police blocked it in Namtaeryeong, and the Democratic Party lawmakers went and attacked the police again, so the teen came out and I felt a little angry, so some tractor drivers went to India like this. What if I do something wrong and cause casualties? So I thought, why don't you refrain from such protests a little?

◇ Shin Yul: This is what I thought. In foreign countries, Korea is in a situation where it can appear on a streaming service, that is, OTT. There have been two impeachments in eight years, but when you look at it in foreign countries, this is really a problem in foreign credibility. But what surprised me the most in foreign countries is that the country is like that now, and it seems so amazing to foreigners that there is no looting, breaking windows, or anything like this. So, as Director Jang said, whether the current confrontation is confrontation or division, if this structure goes to a violent situation, it will be really serious in Korea.

■ Jang Sung-chul: I know. So, in the case of lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun, he is still a senior member of the ruling party. I spoke critically about the tractor protest, but lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun's message and writing were really inappropriate and wrong. The answer is a club of Tractor protestors. ” How can a member of the National Assembly representing the people use this expression that a club is the answer to those who express their opinions through protests? This is really quite wrong, too. If Representative Yoon Sang-hyun keeps talking about things that are not at the level of the public, he could be scolded very loudly in the region. So I'm telling you to get your act together.

□Kim Min-ha: In conservative politics, don't you describe our country's assembly and demonstration culture as very backward and use a lot of terms such as violent rallies and hard-line unions? You can evaluate it that way, but there may be such a view, but since the tractor came out and the equipment used by farmers, the farmers brought the tractor to express their opinions, and it can be dangerous as you said. And it is also necessary to use it to express your opinion in a way that is not a threat to traffic on this road according to some instructions from the police. I fully accept those things now, but there's definitely that part. For example, compared to other countries, Korea's rally and protest culture is particularly backward, and farmers are now pulling tractors. Is it so violent that they say, "That's why I did a good job?" I'm not saying this, but don't you protest because of some political instability in France, such as the yellow vest protest or the resignation of the prime minister recently? Or maybe look at the protests in Germany or something like that. Take a look at the protests in the United States. Compared to these scenes in such a situation, I would like to say that the scene of the rally in Korea is quite orderly and quite stable. If you go to the rally site that calls for President Lee's impeachment, you will see a lot of things like cheer stick culture. When you see such figures in foreign media, you are surprised. Foreign media also show such a mature culture of assembly, so what I told you earlier about the ruling party's appearance and things like this is rather violent now, and where some discourse that can have a negative impact on the political world is circulating. Rather, there are some parts that can appear little by little in some friendly spaces of conservative politics, so I will say that it is time for conservative politics to put more effort into self-purification.

◇ Shin Yul: Who is today's client? Our director Jang.

■ Jang Sung-chul: I will be the floor leader of the People's Power in Kwon Sung-dong. But I don't want to defend myself. Since I am not in a position to agree on his current message and various judgments and decisions, I am a little worried that the conservative right could be completely abandoned by the people because of Kwon Sung-dong's messages and actions. It's a very dangerous and emergency situation right now. In such cases, it is necessary to systematically respond in principle based on the constitution and laws, but the veto power should be exercised now. I wonder if he is right because he made such contradictory remarks, such as "I recommend a constitutional judge, but I should not appoint him." What Kwon Sung-dong should do now is not to say that a courageous lawmaker reported to the media about such violent acts that took place in a closed-door parliamentary session to pro-impeachment opponents did to pro-impeachment opponents, but to bring the mood together so that he can reflect on himself and make judgments and decisions at the public's level, but I don't know why. I am worried about the political fate of the people and the political future of Representative Kwon Sung-dong because you are doing things you cannot understand whether you want to ruin the power of the people. So, I hope you will come back to Kwon Sung-dong, who was the chairman of the impeachment committee as the chairman of the Judiciary Committee during the Park Geun Hye administration. The People's Power is the party that produced the impeached president now. Then, we should reflect on ourselves and apologize to the people. I say that it is not right to give this kind of appearance and message because we need to punish traitors within the party who voted for impeachment when we did something wrong as we do now.

◇ Shin Yul: Who is it? What about you, critic?

□Kim Min-ha: I want to defend President Yoon Suk Yeol now. That's what I'm thinking, because

■ Jang Sung-chul: So you're joining the defense team this time?

□Kim Min-ha: I'd rather do that. It makes me think like this. Because the lawyers have not been formed, they are refusing to receive all the documents, not responding to the investigation, and not responding to the Constitutional Court proceedings, right? And today, through lawyer Seok Dong-hyun, he claimed that the impeachment trial comes first, but if you think about this, the impeachment trial should come first. What conclusion should be made in the impeachment trial so that I can respond to the investigation. I think it's this logic. So, in the end, if you don't respond to the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and don't respond to the summons investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, then the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit may consider an arrest warrant later, but you're talking about the logic of refuting it now. As a refutation of that logic, I said that it's because I have to respond to impeachment and brought it up, but that doesn't mean I'm complying with the Constitutional Court's procedures, does it? Of course, the Constitutional Court has now said that it will consider this document to have been served.Ma means that this situation is continuously caused by the fact that the lawyers are not formed and the lawyers are not formed, but if so, I am not a lawyer. It's something I can't do without a license.Ma then wants to go to the country and help form a defense team. If you say that this is a situation where some progress can be made, you can feel that much. What happens if someone who served as president of a country does not comply with procedures based on the constitution of order based on this constitution? I said this to tell you that.

■ Jang Sung-chul: It's not a declaration of support, is it?

□ Kim Min-ha: It's not like that at all, but if it's necessary to comply with the procedure, I'll make a sacrifice now.

◇ Shin Yul: But as critic Kim Min-ha said, we should proceed with the impeachment trial first. How do you watch this when you talk like this? No, it seems that the defense team is also difficult to form. Now?

■ Jang Sung-chul: So I said I would be Kim Hong-il, the former chairman of the Communications Commission, but he must be a symbolic person. I think there were a few people who could actually review and make logic, and I hope President Yoon Suk Yeol will just defend himself. You know it the best. Who knows better than themselves why they did emergency martial law and why it's not impeachment? So, instead of relying on the lawyers, I tell them to do it themselves, and I have no choice but to say that the current president of Yoon Suk Yeol is quite cowardly and embarrassing. And I've said something about the Democratic Party members who are investigated and investigated in the power of the people. I once told the investigative agency that the suspect makes a choice as if he were shopping. You can just ask, but the impeachment trial and investigation have no choice but to go together, and President Yoon Suk Yeol has no choice for it because he is a suspect.

◇ Shin Yul: That's important, but the institutional process has begun. But for me, there are comments that martial law is political domestically, but externally, this is a matter of external credibility. That's right. Then, if we keep giving the impression that we are going back to the system, we can stop the fall of foreign rookies due to the declaration of emergency martial law, but that's a bit unfortunate.

■ Jang Sung-chul: No, but President Yoon Suk Yeol says that President Yoon Suk Yeol is very frustrated. The people are now frustrated and angry at such a scene. Please, at least you're still the president of Korea. Please protect the least courtesy and dory.

□ Kim Min-ha: So I'm really worried about not following the procedure because the minimum number of lawyers has not been formed and some human resources have not been collected enough to form the lawyers. In that regard, the president and the incumbent president need to receive legal assistance anyway, so I might think about taking a little more time to do that. But is that all or just the reason? As you said earlier, there are all kinds of political calculations. I'm trying to delay the time as much as possible to influence the early presidential election schedule. For example, in order to make a presidential election in which Chairman Lee Jae-myung doesn't come out, we're just talking about things like this in Yeouido, and we're also talking about trying to earn some time to rally our supporters. However, these things should make such efforts to prevent people around the president from being misunderstood, but they keep giving an excuse for misunderstanding. For example, according to a recent report, Yoon Jae-soon, secretary of general affairs, has changed his or her Telegram profile picture. Isn't that the image changing to an image? The image is that declaring martial law was justified. The image with this content. So, the opposition party cut the budget. Isn't there something like that? This is why martial law was declared as it was impeached and now lists the contents that do not fall under the requirements of martial law at all. I'm suspecting that they're doing things like this, changing it to an image that's made up of such things, and spreading those stories through the region and unconfirmed messengers. Now, I'm looking at the messenger profile as if I'm changing the image to that image, but through the public opinion battle, I sought to gather my supporters. If the president says so, it is not just that he is not prepared to comply with the legal process, but rather that the president is driving some kind of result that divides Korea's public opinion into two parts through a public opinion contest toward an unfortunate outcome. It can be evaluated like this, so I think it's necessary to say this strongly, rather than doing something that the president will misunderstand.

■ Jang Sung-chul: There seems to be a legal and political judgment that critic Kim Min-ha keeps not receiving impeachment trial documents or requests for attendance. It seems to be trying to rally supporters. You said that now, but it's normal. That's right, but what I suspect is that since you're talking about shamanism, a shaman or a shaman has to receive the request for attendance of the documents. I also think that I gave you this kind of advice.

◇ Shin-ryul: Whatever it is, but what I'm worried and nervous about now is should we impeach acting Prime Minister Han Deok-soo again? How do you see it?

□Kim Min-ha: We have vetoed six bills, and the Democratic Party of Korea has gone to a position not to impeach or anything, right? We've talked about a lot of things, but as a result, depending on the position on the special counsel's bill, we may impeach it. As a result, I went from this position, but in summary, Han Deok-soo, acting president, is judging that there is an unconstitutional part in relation to the so-called Special Prosecutor Act on Kim Gun-hee and the right to recommend the special prosecutor for civil war. I think this is reported in the media. Then, isn't this something that can be interpreted as leaning toward the exercise of the veto? In the end, if the veto is exercised to this part, the Democratic Party will have no choice but to take out the impeachment card in the end. Since he has done what he has done so far, then Acting President Han Deok-soo, for example, mentioned a foreign rookie earlier, but didn't the U.S. also express some limited support for now as a person to lead such an administration in a transitional period anyway? There is such a part, and even though impeaching it again is quite burdensome, the fact that it becomes such a situation itself is inevitable. That's why I think it's necessary to properly question whether the special prosecution law submitted now is unconstitutional. So, the recommendation right now has been debated many times in the past, but haven't there been cases in the past where the opposition party's right to recommend to the special prosecutor has exercised the right to recommend suspicions related to the president? And there are cases where the independent counsel was conducted in that way, so judging that it is just unconstitutional is not right when looking at past cases, but if you say you have a disagreement on this anyway, don't you think you have formed a consultative body between the ruling and opposition parties or something like that? It is also necessary to propose and conclude the operation's grave so that we can have a sufficient conversation here. This is what I think.

■ Jang Sung-chul: If you veto it, you will impeach Prime Minister Han Deok-soo. I want to say that approaching like this is a misjudgment by the Democratic Party. I don't think it's a reason for impeachment to hold this discipline or to touch the impeachment card to take the initiative. So, impeachment is a political judgment to impeach by violating the Constitution and laws anyway. Anyway, it is a political judgment to impeach by exercising the veto power, which is one of the powers. There is no regulation to impeach because of political judgment. So, I don't think it's right for the Democratic Party to judge whether to impeach in this way, and I tried to help, sympathize with, defend, or hide something about the civil war. So it violated the Constitution and the law. Then it's right to impeach now. I will get through Prime Minister Han Deok-soo's nose with impeachment. I don't think it's right to judge that you're going to grab me by the collar.

◇ Shin Yul: Do you think you're going to impeach him? You don't think you're going to do it?

■ Jang Sung-chul: If I veto it, I think I will impeach it.
in this situation
□Kim Min-ha: But maybe that's how the logic is structured. For the Democratic Party of Korea, the most politically controversial thing would be the special prosecutor's office related to Kim Gun-hee, but the most controversial issue in the construction of the impeachment logic was that if you veto it in relation to the privilege of civil war, it would still be very strongly rejected by the acting president Han Deok-soo, but the Democratic Party of Korea raised the question of whether there was some connection to the suspicion of civil war. But by vetoing the independent counsel related to this, he is acting in concert with something in this continuous sequence. I'm going to go with the logic like this. So, as you said, let's impeach him starting with the exercise of the veto, and there is a high possibility that he will go like this.

◇ Shin Yul: But what if I reject one of them and accept the other? As critic Kim Min-ha said, what happens if you receive the independent counsel's bill for rebellion and reject the Kim Gun-hee bill?

■ Jang Sung-chul: So it's a political judgment, and it's funny that the Democratic Party is thinking about whether to impeach it or not. So, if you want to do it or not, you should not exercise your veto power, and what I want to say to the acting president Han Deok-soo is that there are allegations and suspicions of rebellion. You were impeached by the National Assembly for that. Then, it is right to make them investigate and investigate through a proper special prosecutor. The people will not clap like this because they prevent it. And the people are quite angry and disappointed in the Yoon Suk Yeol regime in many ways because they did not properly investigate and investigate the Kim Gun-hee issue. I'm going to be nervous this time. First Lady Kim Gun-hee, how long are you going to protect and defend it? Of course, we need to investigate Myung Tae-kyun's case, so our People's Power lawmaker can be investigated. We can do this, but anyway, the Yoon Suk Yeol administration's common sense of fairness collapsed because of the Kim Gun-hee issue. Then, if Mrs. Kim Gun-hee continues to protect, can the power of the people be chosen by the people and can the approval rating increase? I'm telling you to take this opportunity to organize and go.

□ Kim Min-ha: However, regarding this special prosecutor, I agree with a lot of what you are saying now regarding impeachment. As you said, impeachment is a violation of the Constitution and the law. As a result, I think I can establish a certain level of logic to discuss with an attitude toward the independent counsel for a civil war, but I think it will be difficult to draw up a logic in this regard. Politically, the Democratic Party of Korea is reading columns in the Chosun Ilbo, for example, but if you look at the column in the Chosun Ilbo, why did President Yoon Suk Yeol come to the conclusion of an extreme act of declaring martial law in the first place? In the end, I think it was started to defend the First Lady Kim Gun-hee's problem. That's why, as you said, when the people's power wants to defend, they have to make a firm statement regarding the First Lady Kim Gun-hee's problem. In fact, in order to get rid of this problem, it is necessary to veto the acting president Han Deok-soo while talking about the unconstitutionality of the independent counsel law. Rather, it is better to say that the power of the people should not talk like this, but rather, let's exercise our veto power, let's not appoint the Constitutional Court again, and all this is as if it is acting on behalf of President Yoon Suk Yeol as if he is doing a bulletproof strategy.

■ Jang Sung-chul: I don't understand. Anyway, you have to apologize and reflect on yourself to the public. Yoon Suk Yeol Kim Gun-hee, I don't understand what would be good for the power of the people to protect these two.

◇ Shin Yul: I don't know that well. Anyway, what do you think is the most reasonable stance that former Prime Minister Han Deok-soo should take under the current situation?

■ Jang Sung-chul: Please follow the law and principles. You can decide according to the public's eye level. There is a high public opinion in favor of the independent counsel for the civil war and Kim Gun-hee. You can just do it as it is. If you try to suppress the public sentiment, you will get even more angry. So please don't fall into their own logic.

◇ Shin Yul: There are so many people sighing these days. Let's stop listening to what you said today. Thank you. So far, I've been with two current affairs critics, Kim Min-ha, director of the Jang Sung-chul Public Opinion Center.