[Politics ON] The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit fails to execute the arrest warrant..."I'm sorry about the suspect's attitude" vs "I'm sorry about the enforcement."

■ Host: Anchor Kim Youngsoo Kim, Anchor Lee Ha-rin
■ Appearance: Lawyer Yeo Sang-won, Director of Presidential Leadership Research Institute Choi Jin

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[Anchor]
The execution of a warrant for the incumbent president of the high-ranking government official's criminal investigation office failed to secure a new recruits amid a confrontation of more than five hours.

[Anchor]
The execution of the arrest warrant by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was carried out in a surprise move this morning, and the presidential security service did not back down in front of the official residence.

[Anchor]
Let's start <Politics On> looking at the outside and inside of politics. Today, I will look forward to seeing if future actions are expected with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and presidential leadership researcher Choi Jin. First of all, lawyer Yeo, how did you see today's warrant execution process as a legal professional?

[Yeo Sang-won]
Both were warrant executions, both of which had something to say and didn't. Of course, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit went to execute the warrant legally issued by the judge. But why are you interrupting? This was the argument, and the presidential office asked for a warrant with the right to investigate the rebellion when the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit had no right to investigate the rebellion, and then the judge issued a warrant arbitrarily excluding it as a serious reason for the national interest under Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act. The presidential office was especially a bodyguard because of the violation of procedures and the violation of substance, including the crime of rebellion mentioned earlier, which is why it is an invalid warrant. I said it was unacceptable.

[Anchor]
However, the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the position of the President have not changed. And this morning, the attempt to execute the warrant began. Where do you think the confrontation went on for more than five hours?

[Yeo Sangwon]
I think the president's position has probably come out of the continuous security law. This is an invalid warrant and should never be executed. And you're the current president. Although the impeachment is suspended because he was impeached. So, as a security agency, it came from the standpoint of protecting the incumbent president.


[Anchor]
At this time, I delivered the situation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. As you heard, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has entered the stage of reviewing what to do in the future. I think I'll think about whether to re-enforce the warrant or coordinate voluntary attendance with the president's lawyers. What do you think President Yoon will choose and what do you think is the most desirable?

[Choi Jin]
First of all, we need to know what President Yoon is thinking. I think that the heart is in the content of the letter I sent to my supporters yesterday. What I said at the time was that the forces of sovereignty and anti-state forces were responding. So what it is now is that all the anti-state forces are pressuring and pushing themselves and the president of Yoon Suk Yeol. He's a huge victim. That's why I'll hold out until the end as shown on the note. Then, option number one, whether enforced or not, will be the worst project to show the people that they are dragged out with their arms crossed in their official residence until the end, or, in the worst case, to show the people that they are handcuffed and go, showing the worst of this, and showing a strong message for conservatives to rally. First of all, I don't think that possibility is high. Because it's such a dangerous way. Secondly, as I said a little while ago, I have achieved the effect of propaganda to the public, so now I personally see more than 80% of the possibility of compromising and voluntarily launching in an appropriate way.

[Anchor]
You mentioned your voluntary appearance, but the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit withdrew around 1:30, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit briefed you around 2 o'clock, but you couldn't meet President Yoon. I said that I couldn't even check if it was in the official residence. However, lawyers Yoon Gap-geun and Kim Hong-il entered at around 12:10, and in the morning, lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun also entered.
What did we talk about?

[Yeo Sangwon]
Public opinion or future direction on the execution of today's warrant. In the end, as you said earlier, rejecting this unconditionally is completely disadvantageous in public opinion. If an innocent person continues to refuse, yes, but isn't President Yoon Suk Yeol facing a lot of charges right now? And since former Minister Kim Yong-hyun and such people have already been arrested and prosecuted, if they refuse to investigate the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit unconditionally, they will not come out because they are guilty. Because I don't have anything to say. There's a possibility that it's going to be like this. So I wouldn't even show myself surrendering to the airlift right away. That's because the Yoon Suk Yeol president's strategy is to focus on impeachment anyway and delay the investigation as much as possible. So, I think the 2nd attempt to execute it earlier, and Director Choi and I have different views on this. I'm not going to do it. In the meantime, there is a possibility that lawyer Yoon Gap-geun or lawyers will go to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and make a deal with the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. Rather than going to the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, we should go to Gwacheon. Rather, we will investigate in a third place and put forward various conditions.

There will be a lot of conditions that are difficult to accept as an airborne organization. However, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit unconditionally surrenders to the conditions of the presidential office, it can be a road-amitabul. Therefore, there is a possibility that the investigation will be delayed or delayed considerably in the process of negotiating the terms. That's what President Yoon Suk Yeol wants, to be delayed a little bit. That doesn't mean it can be delayed indefinitely, so if you do it, you'll reach an agreement at an appropriate level. If this doesn't work, if it doesn't work out. I think there's going to be almost an agreement right now, because both have disadvantages and both have advantages. If not, there is a possibility that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit will issue an arrest warrant again in a different direction. I don't know what will happen because the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is at a disadvantage then.

[Anchor]
After the execution attempt was canceled, Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, held an emergency press conference. At that time, he expressed his position that it was an unfair transaction between the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the political judge. Do you think it's President Yoon's idea?

[Choi Jin]
I think so. I think it's reflected as it is. If you look at the press conference of the emergency committee chairman Kwon Young-se, it is very strong. Originally, lawmaker Kwon Young-se is not that strong in appearance. They say it's the core of pro-Yoon. What he said during the interview was that the execution of the arrest warrant was a very unfair and exceedingly unfair act based on accurate writing. So I emphasized the word "very much" twice. They said it was overpowering, unfair, and unfair. Looking at this, I think the perception of martial law and martial law as well as the current situation in Yoon Suk Yeol's president and pro-Yoon-gye is intact.

Not only President Yoon Suk Yeol, but no one pro-Yoon has ever apologized, saying that emergency martial law is extremely unfair, extremely wrong, and it is exceedingly far-reaching. At the same time, it seems to be a very inappropriate expression to say that only this part of the arrest warrant was strongly mentioned and that it was an unfair transaction between the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the political judge. That's why President Yoon and the pro-Yoon-gye still don't acknowledge martial law, impeachment, and arrest warrants in this regard. It was a press conference that reaffirmed once again that we are going in a direction that is far from the public sentiment after confronting strongly. [Anchor] Lawyer Yeo Sangwon, do you think so too?

[Yeo Sangwon]
I understand that Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, said a few days ago that he apologized, but what is that an apology for? It's shameless. It was an apology for martial law. Because the public opinion of the general public is so bad. I did, but Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, just said, "Is martial law right or wrong? It's not about that, but the warrant execution procedure is wrong." However, one premise we have to make is that Kwon Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, was a prosecutor. It's my university classmate, too. This person is really soft as you say. Even though he's a good person, this is the will of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, but it must also be the will of the conservatives. The conservatives think that the execution of the warrant is done by experts like me who talk about Articles 110 and 111, but usually the hard-line conservatives don't think so and think that they did it wrong unconditionally. But what you said just a moment ago is kind of weird.

The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the judge in charge of the warrant made an unfair transaction. This is quite inconvenient for me, a former judge. I don't think that's possible. There are few, but Lee Young-se, chairman of the emergency committee, talks about the crime of rebellion in the presidential office, as I said earlier, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has no right to investigate. It was then a warrant worthy of such suspicion in view of the extroversion of Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act, which were issued by judges arbitrarily excluding them. I think we can look at it with this purpose. So, I think we should not accept Kwon Young-se's words at face value, but rather filter them out.

[Anchor]
Regarding what you said, he said that issuing an arrest warrant was not legal and that he would push for the impeachment of the judge. There are 108 seats in the People's Power. How did you see this reaction?

[Yeo Sangwon]
The power of the people is the pressure on the investigative power whenever the Democratic Party of Korea impeaches the prosecutor up to this point, and all of a sudden, it's the other side, so they say they'll impeach it, which is not likely to pass at all. Would the Democratic Party of Korea approve of impeachment?

[Anchor]
I heard that the members of the People's Power Judiciary Committee also visited the Supreme Court today to protest.

[Yeo Sangwon]
That can happen. However, as a legal professional, I am opposed to the issuance of a warrant by Chief Judge Lee Soon-hyung. Except for Articles 110 and 111. This is the judgment of the head of the chapter, and it is hard for me to understand that the judge came forward and said that the head of the chapter did not need to be approved, so I did it in terms of inappropriate execution of my duties, but the jurisdiction is independent. And there are a lot more things that made the right decision. However, I think it's a wrong judgment because you made a judgment on your own mind, but a judge can't always make the right judgment. I can make a different judgment because some thoughts are different from mine. Whenever that happens, visiting the Supreme Court is like telling the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to harm the independence of the jurisdiction. It's nice to make a statement, not go to the Supreme Court, but it doesn't look that beautiful to go to the Supreme Court and do this.

[Anchor]
I see. The Democratic Party strongly criticized President Yoon. They are asking you to cooperate with Yoon, who is refusing to comply with the execution of the arrest warrant. The forces that are interfering with the execution of the arrest warrant are criticizing the second civil war, which is sympathetic. How do you think Democrats will respond in the future?

[Choi Jin]
The Democratic Party's strategy has not changed much in the last two and a half years and in recent times. First of all, it's a series of hard-pushing strong-arm drives, and in the process, it's President Yoon Suk Yeol's worst self-destruct. After declaring martial law, the Democratic Party of Korea's goal is to end the situation more quickly and quickly because it has gained the cause to push hard and the support of the public. I think we have no choice but to push hard. I have no choice but to push hard even in the situation afterwards. The question is how the people's power responds, but there is still no room for negotiation between the ruling and opposition parties, and isn't it Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act that the arrest warrant is unfair? You shouldn't go to a secret area for military purposes. This comes out almost all day long, and from the judge's point of view, didn't President Yoon Suk Yeol have in mind the possibility of refusing to comply with the arrest, running away, or running away?

This is no different from predictably done, but this is not what I'm saying today. In a small part, I would like to say that there is a problem with the two provisions of the Criminal Law all day long, as if the arrest warrant itself was completely illegal. As mentioned earlier, the Democratic Party sees it as advantageous in all aspects, whether it is public opinion, justification, or circumstances, so I think it will continue to increase the intensity of the loan.

[Yeo Sangwon]
However, the most important thing in the rule of law is to apply equal rules to all citizens. Even if the president commits a crime of rebellion, he has the right to be defended for it, and in this case, the process should be followed well by the execution of the process. Otherwise, no matter how legitimate the purpose is, if the procedure goes wrong, the punishment will be unfair. And everyone knows that obstruction of warrant execution in the Democratic Party is called a second civil war, and this is not a civil war. It's possible to call this a civil war because it's a political investigation, of course, but the Democratic Party is now leading the political situation with the topic of civil war. Even so, the refusal to execute a warrant is called a rebellion. I've told you a few times about the civil war here. Then, did the security department mourn the country, disturb the national constitution, and riot? That's not true. So refrain from saying "insurrection" when you write it. There are many other things to say, such as obstruction of justice. I don't think that's why the word "insurrection" stimulates the people.

[Choi Jin]
I have to say that, but I keep saying that martial law or civil war has not been confirmed, but all the vividly moving scenes about civil war, which our people watched live. Armed soldiers infiltrated the National Assembly and roamed. What more terrifying civil war is there? And didn't all the martial law commanders tell the truth? Smash everything, smash it with a hammer and actually infiltrate the NEC. So, all the major commanders involved have been arrested and prosecuted by the prosecution, but I can't agree that it's still too much to call it martial law and still regard it as a civil war.

[Yeo Sangwon]
Dear Director Choi. I'm not saying that it's a rebellion, I'm saying that the second interference in the execution of a warrant is a second rebellion.

[Choi Jin]
Let me add something about that. It's going to be a problem like this. Do I have to apply the law more generously because I'm a president or a sitting president?
or more strictly.

[Yeo Sangwon]
You have to do the same.

[Choi Jin]
In fact, I think it should be applied more sensitively. It's because the president should be an example for the whole nation, right? On top of that, I think it should be applied more strictly because there was a really ridiculous situation called martial law in Jincheon. Even if you give up percentage and apply it equally, if you look at it recently, all of Yoon Suk Yeol's presidents will reject the data. Refusing to summon them all, dragging their feet and delaying their lawyers. I don't think it's really desirable for a president to show him not following the law at all, avoiding it, circling it, or getting out of the law.

[Anchor]
Currently, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has attempted to execute an arrest warrant and has been considering various concerns since it failed, but the police special team has booked the head of the security and deputy head of the department. It was the news that you were asking for attendance tomorrow. If so, will the security chief and deputy chief currently guarding the official residence attend?

[Yeo Sangwon]
I don't think I'm going to do it. Because the arrest warrant is invalid, the obstruction of justice itself must be denied in order to be in line with the logic of our execution. Because for invalid warrants, isn't the president of Yoon Suk Yeol the current president according to the Security Service Act? It's just that he was impeached and suspended from work. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit interfered with the legitimate security services. Rather, this perspective is likely to accuse those who entered the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police, thinking that they are obstructing the execution of public affairs. If so, this is right or wrong, then it will be judged by the judicial authorities later. First of all, it is very likely that those who have been summoned by the police below the chief of security will not attend.

[Anchor]
According to what the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit revealed, the security office also carried a personal firearm. Of course, there were no weapons in the crash. That's what I said. In the process of entering the official residence, there were physical fights in stages. This is the position of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. It is regrettable that President Yoon used his physical force in the confidential security area. That's what I said. What did you think about this controversy?

[Choi Jin]
First of all, I fully agree with both sides' positions. From the perspective of bodyguards, they have no choice but to defend themselves because they are in the security law. The same goes for the airlift. So it's a strange situation where public service execution versus public service execution collided. Before that, both sides said that. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit also said that if you come too far from that side, the security service will file a complaint against all of them for obstructing the execution of public affairs. If the bodyguard overreacts, I will obstruct the execution of public affairs. We did this, but we know each other's situation, so I don't think we'll go to a serious legal battle.Ma said that the police would first obtain evidence and evidence against the bodyguards, especially some of the soldiers who resisted in the radiation.I don't think the workshop will be too much. Both sides are in a very unfortunate position. a position to carry out official duties

[Anchor]
I'm sending you the on-site screen this morning as a data screen. This is the scene this morning. I had a consultation with the security around 8 a.m. this morning. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has arrived in front of the official residence. It's about 8 a.m. this morning when we arrive in front of our official residence to discuss. Since then, the confrontation has continued for about 5 and a half hours, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit explains that it has penetrated all the way to the first and second cordons. You went up through the car wall. We can't see the internal situation right now. Choi has worked in the presidential office in the past, that is, Cheong Wa Dae in the past. By the way, is Cheong Wa Dae security with the police?

[Choi Jin]
That's right. Each of them has a division of roles. They are police, soldiers, bodyguards, civilians. with triple security The outermost part is the military, then the second cordon is the police, and the most recent is the fully trained, skilled professional bouncer, defending. However, in a way, the police and military defense lines were naturally opened. If you defended strongly, there would have been a very severe physical collision, but it's a very close situation, and fortunately, the first and second barriers were penetrated easily, but it's no different from an implied agreement.

[Anchor]
So you went to the front of the security chief at the end? 200 meters in front of the official residence.

[Choi Jin]
That's right. It's up to 200m in front of the official residence. If it were pierced, there would be 100 investigators. However, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit would have expected that to some extent.

[Anchor]
You can get stuck in front of you. I'm sure you asked for cooperation, right?

[Choi Jin]
That's right. If we go recklessly without any scenario without such an implied agreement that we will go back to the first and second lines and the third lines, a very unexpected incident may occur. So I think it was a situation that was predicted enough to some extent. However, the structure inside and outside Yongsan's spectators, which is a bit of a side story, has never been disclosed to the media. Usually, if it's Cheong Wa Dae, it's on the second floor, there are three or four rooms inside, there's a living room, and I've been there roughly, so I guess.

[Anchor]
The foreign minister's diplomatic mission was expanded, wasn't it?

[Choi Jin]
That's right. It's been expanded and renovated, but as you know, the renovation can change the structure as much as you want inside. So, whether there are 3 or 5 rooms, or whether the interior is a double-decker or a third floor, it has never been disclosed yet. However, if the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit broke through the 3rd cordon this time and arrested President Yoon Suk Yeol urgently, a lot of stories can be said as the internal residence is disclosed for the first time.

[Anchor]
The first, second, and third cordons are shown graphically. If the 3rd cordon is breached, you're talking about a super-close border, right? When it comes to super-close security, I heard that it's a stage where you can't touch a tip of the president's fur. What exactly do you mean by the 1st and 2nd cordons? It's said that the meaning penetrated the first and second cordons.

[Choi Jin]
Originally, the outer coast guard is quite wide. It's more than 1km long. The next is about 500m, but in the case of Cheong Wa Dae and Yongsan, we don't know exactly because that part hasn't come out yet.Ma's one question here is who gives instructions to the security guard. Isn't it so? If you want to protect the president, do you take orders from the incumbent president, Yoon Suk Yeol? Or whether to receive instructions from acting president Choi Sang-mok is a little unclear. In the case of the Democratic Party of Korea, they are putting pressure on acting president Choi Sang-mok to tell him to order the security chief to lift his close security because you are now acting as the president. Formally, however, it is directed by Acting Chief Minister Choi Sang-mok, but in practice, I think it is probably directed by President Yoon Suk Yeol.

[Anchor]
It's also in our news report, and about 200 people, including security service staff and soldiers, built a wall to prevent the access of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit employees. I guess there are hundreds of people inside.

[Choi Jin]
Or there will be more behind the outside. In the case of the security service, it is not clear in numbers. In the case of the secretariat, there are 350 to 400 people, but there are more bodyguards than that. That's why there will be more numbers in different locations.

[Anchor]
In the case of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit today, 30 employees of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and 50 police support personnel. About 80 people entered. You could also see the screen running in front of you.

[Yeo Sangwon]
But since you explained it in detail, it's a matter outside of discussion. Fortunately, today ended without a major incident, so of course, I'm glad that no one was hurt a lot without seeing him leading the president. It would be nice if the execution of the warrant continued to be agreed upon, but if it doesn't happen, wouldn't it be a serious problem if such an incident broke out and even injured people occurred? So, the presidential office has applied for an injunction to suspend the validity of the warrant in this regard. If you conclude quickly and say that the warrant is effective, the president's office should also comply. Until now, it was said to be an illegal invalidation warrant, but isn't it a third-party judicial institution? The law enforcement agency is here to do that. It's not on the side of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, it's not on the side of the president, it's a third party, we have a judicial institution. If you judge, you have to follow both sides. That's what I think. That's how you look ugly. In a way, it's ugly.

[Anchor]
When can the Constitutional Court judge come out?

[Yeo Sangwon]
He must be busy with impeachment hearings, but I hope that Prime Minister Han Duck-soo's impeachment and other issues will be resolved quickly. And one more thing. An arrest warrant was issued while watching this situation. I don't think it's balanced. More than 150 people are needed in the National Assembly to issue an arrest warrant for one out of 300 lawmakers, but the president has a much more important role than a lawmaker and is an elected person of the people, and if a judge signs this, a warrant will be issued. Didn't you see a lot of lawmakers last year? People who received bribes during the party leadership election, how can lawmakers be much more protected when they see this? So, I don't know if it will be constitutional amendment or not, but looking at this, it is necessary to reconsider the immunity of lawmakers. Considering the status of a person, lawmakers are rarely bound. The president was easily arrested because an arrest warrant was issued. It's worth considering.

[Choi Jin]
Then, is it necessary to consider the immunity from arrest under Article 84 of the Presidential Constitution?

[Yeo Sangwon]
It's a crime of rebellion.

[Choi Jin]
And I'm talking about the law a lot today, and how scary the law is. Didn't 100 investigators enter the residence today? However, according to the law, 500 investigators can go in, push the bodyguards, and arrest them through the third cordon. You can handcuff them and bring them. There's no legal problem. However, because of the public opinion, and to honor the incumbent president, at least 100 people are going. If you follow the real law, you can have a very scary situation.

[Anchor]
The president also claimed that if the task force comes out, the security service can arrest him.

[Yeo Sangwon]
According to the Task Force Installation Act, the task force is a police officer who cannot be in charge of the investigation. So is it co-operation, all the police officers are about the investigation. under the command of the Airborne Division That's why if the task force comes out, we'll have to arrest him.Ma emphasized that those people are not authorized to come in.

[Anchor]
Director Choi Jin could have put in more people, but you're interpreting that only about 80 people went in considering various factors, right?

[Choi Jin]
That's right. Some media outlets also reported whether the bodyguards possessed live ammunition.

[Anchor]
It is said that more than 200 people put their arms around and blocked it because some of them were carrying personal firearms.

[Yeo Sangwon]
But isn't the security service supposed to carry live ammunition and weapons? Even if it's not this situation today.

[Choi Jin]
The bodyguard doesn't do it unconditionally. In the presidential and other close encounters, other bodyguards get permission, and in special circumstances, they own live ammunition. In this case, it's an emergency.

[Anchor]
I haven't confirmed who carried the personal firearm yet.

[Anchor]
I will organize the contents revealed by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The Joint Investigation Headquarters, which suspended the execution of the arrest warrant for President Yoon due to safety concerns, explained the situation at the time of execution of the warrant in detail. The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit approached within 200 meters of the official residence over the cordon made by stopping buses today, but more than 200 people, including security officials and soldiers, blocked the execution of the warrant. In the process, there was a big and small physical fight, and there was no one at the scene of the crash, but there was also a security guard who carried a personal firearm nearby. The deputy head of the security service, who came to the scene at the time, is said to have said, "Consult with your lawyer, because you can only protect your body in accordance with the Security Service Act and you can't judge the warrant." The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit added that three prosecutors went to the entrance of the official residence after consultation, but President Yoon's lawyers said they could not comply with the execution of illegally issued warrants and agreed on subsequent procedures.

[Anchor]
I have to ask lawyer Yeo, but first of all, there was a consultation and three prosecutors went to the entrance of the official residence.

[Yeo Sangwon]
So, it shows that you do your best as an airborne organization. If 60 or 70 real police officers are prosecutors, legal professionals are weaker than police. It's almost impossible for people who are small in size to push their bodyguards with their physical strength. So as an airborne organization, we did our best to execute this warrant, and it's meaningful to show this.

[Anchor]
There was a security guard who carried a personal firearm nearby, and how much public opinion did it take to reveal this?

[Yeo Sangwon]
That was revealed by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. This much has been said about me, but maybe there was an intention to use weapons. But as Director Choi Jin said earlier, I think some bodyguards had weapons. They're either the ones who always had them, or they're licensed. And they wouldn't have intended to use any kind of firearm. If there was going to be violence or a big mishap today, it would have already happened. We're continuing to show it, but we're continuing to compromise. Eventually, he would have visited lawyer Yoon Gap-geun and talked to the president at the end. What will they do in the future with the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the investigators of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit? There were a lot of things like that, lawmakers. Don't do it soon when an arrest warrant is issued, but we will voluntarily appear within a few days, so please hold it until then. There's a good chance that I talked about it this way.

[Anchor]
You're looking at the on-site screen this morning. I went back in a hurry. You've been trying to execute an arrest warrant for nearly five and a half hours today. So, there was also an observation that the arrest warrant might be executed. So I also saw the stock market moving. Recovering the situation at the time of
did you see the possibility?

[Yeo Sangwon]
I didn't see it. That's how much the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does its best today. So, in the past, even when lawmakers or arrests were made, they never succeeded in the first round.

[Anchor]
Do you remember the arrest of a prominent politician in the past?

[Choi Jin]
At that time, CEO Hanwha Gap was blocking an arrest warrant with the police, and I was at the scene. Although I was a journalist at the time. The shutters and the chairs were being piled up, and the police were rushing in really hard, so it was very dangerous, but it wasn't that huge because it was a small Democratic Party at the time. Moreover, he did so on charges of 1 billion won in bribes. It doesn't make sense when you compare it now. It's not the representative of a small party now, it's a different matter now. In addition, it is suspected of bribery, but now it is completely martial law and impeachment, so the importance of the issue is incomparable to that time. But today, I saw a lot of horizontal comparisons of the situation at that time.

[Anchor]
At that time, he became a driver without detention.

[Choi Jin]
In the end, he failed to issue an arrest warrant. The conservatives expressed a lot of hope, saying that even the president can't do it if he holds out this time. The situation is so different from then and now.

[Anchor]
The execution of the arrest warrant for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol was canceled for the first time, but there is time for additional execution until the 6th.

[Yeo Sangwon]
is here. But as I said at the beginning, the presidential office, the ruling party, and conservative hard-line supporters are talking about the illegality. The illegality that they say is illegal. If it is not resolved, it will also show the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit again. That's what you're going to say, so I think compromise or get a second round.

[Anchor]
Since both of you have made such observations that President Yoon may voluntarily attend, there is a high possibility that President Yoon will exercise his right to remain silent if he attends. How do you see it?

[Choi Jin]
But to be honest, I can't predict that. Because after the impeachment, I thought I would definitely be silent at this time, but he came out and made a statement. If it's like December 10th. So, he said he wouldn't do it when the impeachment was passed by the National Assembly, but he made another statement right away. And by now, many ruling and opposition parties say that the president will send a message because an arrest warrant has been issued, but frankly, the president's actions and responses are unpredictable. It's like a rugby ball. I don't know how it'll bounce. So I'm careful because there's a high possibility that I'll be wrong if I predict it.

[Anchor]
What do you think of the lawyer?

[Yeo Sangwon]
As a person who has tried and done trials, Director Choi has a point, but if there is not much other evidence, you can keep silent. But as you said earlier, Kim Yong-hyun, who the president is an accomplice in the civil war, and many of them have been arrested and prosecuted. There is a statement from them. So in this case, it's not very meaningful to keep silent. It's not like you're not guilty of anything. And the president of Yoon Suk Yeol will probably respond aggressively. Another reason is that when I impeached former President Park Geun Hye, former President Park Geun Hye responded too passively, even though he was not a legal expert. You never thought you were going to be impeached and then you were investigated by former President Park Geun Hye? As a result, it failed strategically. If it becomes a teacher on the other hand, the statements made by the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and the lawyers are wrong. I will defend aggressively. That's better.

[Choi Jin]
The right to silence is a case-by-case basis, and sometimes it is possible to remain silent and sometimes speak strongly, but even if he speaks strongly, he will make a lot of strong responses, strong messages to the people and some hard-line conservatives, and political remarks without explanation. The legitimacy of martial law, something that has already been repeated. I had no choice but to remove anti-state forces, and it wasn't martial law. To be honest, it is highly likely to repeat the same pattern of political messages that we have already heard through several broadcasts, either strongly or by changing other expressions.

[Anchor]
You see it like this that we will continue the public opinion campaign against the active supporters.

[Choi Jin]
Look now. The comments I made yesterday, December 12th, or 17th are all similar. It's the same context as what he said when he declared martial law. Let's get rid of the anti-state forces group. I think this kind of content is almost repeated.

[Yeo Sangwon]
However, it is said that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit prepared a questionnaire about 200 pages and 200 paragraphs. So, I'm making the message clear to the people, but first, the investigator of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit asks me something. You can't answer that.

[Anchor]
I've already prepared more than 100 pages of questionnaires.

[Yeo Sangwon]
That happened last year or the year before last. Did CEO Lee Jae-myung do that to the person under investigation, he was consistent with the right to remain silent. I don't remember who did that. When it comes to the message to the people, is there anything else you have to say to the suspect at the end of the investigation, and I can say enough about that. First of all, you have to answer the investigator's question. If I say I can't answer, I can't. So I can't help but answer the investigator's specific, specific questions.

[Choi Jin]
I'm a little different. I think there is a high possibility of giving a fairly political answer to each issue and question. And from the way it has been, it is very questionable whether you will answer every 200 pages of items one by one. He has refused the documents for the trial at all. I think we will respond politically very abstractly and comprehensively.

[Anchor]
Yesterday, a conservative group continued to protest in front of the president's Hannam-dong residence. Some of the roads were occupied. Today, progressive groups are holding pro-impeachment rallies.

[Anchor]
In the case of yesterday's support rally, it was the way from Hannam Bridge to Namsan Tunnel. This time, we are holding a rally in the opposite direction.

[Anchor]
Today, the first execution of the warrant by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit was canceled. However, conservative supporters, so President Yoon's supporters, and active supporters have been actively rallying at Hannam-dong's official residence since yesterday, so can the size of the rally be bigger?

[Choi Jin]
I think that will happen. I'd like to answer that question like this. I think the hard-line conservatives will protest more desperately because they seem to think that if the Yoon Suk Yeol collapses, the conservatives will also collapse. However, there are many moderate conservatives and middle-class people who think that conservatives can only live if the president of Yoon Suk Yeol collapses. In other words, I think we can succeed only when we differentiate ourselves from President Yoon Suk Yeol and find new conservatives. Of course, I'm on the latter side. So, it's very sad and heartbreaking to see the hard-working conservatives waving the Korean national flag and the American flag, but you have to think hard about which way the conservatives live. I would like to advise them that going with the president who practiced martial law in the 21st century, which is unimaginable, makes it really hard for them and the conservatives as a whole, and that is the only way to live a conservative life.

[Yeo Sangwon]
If you look at today's situation, the supporters of President Yoon Suk Yeol cheered earlier. That's what I said about the suspension of the warrant.Maybe conservative protesters have gone home for now and will be downsized. The public may think that when the warrant is suspended, it is over, because he is not a legal professional. This significantly reduces the size of the protest, which could grow again when attempting to execute the warrant again. Protests calling for impeachment, on the other hand, are likely to continue to grow or remain until warrant execution.

[Anchor]
I see. Thank you for being with us for a long time today. The news of the failure to execute the arrest warrant of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the future prospects have been pointed out. I was with lawyer Yeo Sang-won and Choi Jin, president of the Leadership Research Institute of the Presidential Office.