Appeals for Yoon's arrest warrant 'dismissal'...Re-execution of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

■ Host: Anchor Yoon Bori
■ Appearance: Lee Joon-woo, member of the People's Power Media Special Committee, Seo Yong-joo, former deputy spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea,

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[Anchor]
The president of Yoon Suk Yeol filed an objection, saying his arrest warrant was illegal, but the court rejected it. Tensions are rising at the Namdong residence, where the validity period of the arrest warrant issued by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is until midnight tomorrow. Lee Joon-woo, a member of the People's Power Media Special Committee, and Seo Yong-joo, a former deputy spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea, will point out the related contents. Hello.

First, let's look at the Constitutional Court's judgment. The Constitutional Court has designated President Yoon's hearing date on the 14th. President Yoon's side has made a position. The comment was a little ambiguous, but he said he would choose an appropriate date. How should I interpret this?

[Lee Junwoo]
I think that's what President Yoon means when he comes to the defense himself. The Constitutional Court decided on the date of pleading five times at once. Starting next week, starting on the 14th, I said I would do an intensive hearing every Tuesday and Thursday. First of all, in my view, the charge of rebellion, which can be said to be the core content of the impeachment bill, has now been withdrawn through intensive hearings on this issue.

Then, is there any reason for the Constitutional Court to hear the impeachment motion? Because if the first step, the impeachment motion, is voted again in the National Assembly without charges of rebellion, no one knows whether it can be passed as it was last time, right? That's why the charge of civil war was so severe and big that it was passed by the National Assembly, but the impeachment is prosecuted without the charge of civil war, and it seems that there is a problem with this, so I think we should sort this out first.

Nevertheless, the hearing date has been set. As for the date of pleading, the president is likely to present his own argument because he has a lawyer's license, but if he has a lawyer's license, there is no limit on the number of times he has to present his own argument. It was justified that he had no choice but to declare martial law as he went out in person, and the procedures were properly followed. I think I'm going to plead this part myself.

First of all, before the Lunar New Year holiday, the president will probably have the fourth hearing day or the fifth hearing day after the Lunar New Year's Day to explain the issues that came out in the previous order, or the controversy and the misunderstanding at once. So, I think the president will probably come forward at the fourth or fifth hearing.

[Anchor]
In other words, President Yoon will attend the Constitutional Court in person, but former President Roh Moo Hyun or former President Park Geun Hye did not attend the court in person. Why is he coming forward like this this time?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, the fact that the president of Yoon Suk Yeol and the president are coming forward directly seems to be trying to delay the trial even a little more. However, given the attitude of President Yoon Suk Yeol's lawyers responding to the Constitutional Court as they recently set a hearing date, it seems that the Constitutional Court does not need to drag it out any longer. Now, they are not even submitting data on the current martial law situation, and they say that martial law itself is a joke martial law, and that President Yoon Suk Yeol is a really powerful person and an underdog, and that he has become a prey for the media.

The justices of the Constitutional Court are a gathering of the best experts who have worked on the law for more than 20 to 30 years as a lawyer. That's why I don't want to delay the hearing any longer in this regard, and President Yoon Suk Yeol's argument in the middle doesn't mean much. And I don't even know him.

With the arrest warrant itself stipulated in the Constitution of the Republic of Korea currently occupying and blocking the official residence at the Yongsan residence, will there be courage to come to the Constitutional Court? In that sense, I said it's coming out now, but I think I'll know that when I go there. First of all, the Constitutional Court is expected to proceed with a rapid hearing under the judgment that correcting the current situation and state affairs caused by the president corrects the order of the Constitution and the stability of state affairs.

[Anchor]
But now, while refusing to comply with the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, he is attending the Constitutional Court. How should I accept this? What kind of strategy is it?

[Lee Junwoo]
I think I'm probably following suit. Former President Park Geun Hye was also judged by the Constitutional Court first and then moved on as a detective. Because there is such a precedent, it seems most likely that the president will follow the precedent, and the reason why he comes forward is that I think it is right for the Constitutional Court to be judged for high-level governance and high-level governance as a president.

Because former President Roh Moo Hyun and former President Park Geun Hye were handed over by the Constitutional Court for violating the neutrality of the election law, forcing and bribery charges, all prohibited by law. I mean, I was impeached. However, President Yoon Suk Yeol went to the Constitutional Court for exercising the power guaranteed by the law. So the personality is very different.

It is very different to go to the Constitutional Court for prohibiting the law and to be impeached for exercising the guaranteed power of the law, and to be impeached and heard at the Constitutional Court. [Seo Yong-ju] If the word "act guaranteed by law" is wrong, it is an act guaranteed by law to mobilize the military and police to try to dissolve or arrest the National Assembly in defiance of certain constitutional procedures.

So, even if you have the right to emergency martial law, it is clear that civil war is not guaranteed by law. I just passed on to this earlier, but now the impeachment committee has cleared the charge of rebellion. It's not about rebellion. For example, nothing has changed the identity equivalent to a rebellion. Therefore, from the beginning, he committed rebellion by infiltrating the Yoon Suk Yeol's declaration of martial law, proclamation, and the National Assembly, which should not be conducted by the military and police. This is the original.

But what's changing this is only changing the act of rebellion. Therefore, since the word "insurrection" is already included, it is misleading and speculative to exclude the rebellion, as it is now claimed. I'd like to say it's a forced claim.

[Anchor]
We were going to point out this part later, but since we're talking about it, we'll continue. Then, what confidence do you have in the Democratic Party that President Yoon can be fired from the Constitutional Court even if it is not a crime of rebellion?

[Applicant owner]
So the interpretation that it's not a crime of rebellion is wrong. So, the changes made to the impeachment resolution are the same as I said earlier. President Yoon Seok-yeol declared unconstitutional martial law and committed rebellion by infiltrating the unconstitutional decree and the National Assembly, which should not be used as police. That's a violation of the Constitution and the law and should be removed. How one line has changed is that it has been changed to an act of rebellion.

So only the act of this rebellion itself is to be judged. This is on the same line as floor leader Kwon Sung-dong argued in 2017 that former President Park Geun Hye's criminal part of the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye should be done in criminal trials and that the Constitutional Court should judge only the part of the act.

That's why you're not judged without a crime of rebellion, but you're judged on the behavior of rebellion. That's why there's no question about this. This is also in the 2016 Constitutional Court ruling. The Constitutional Court has already ruled at the time that changes in the impeachment grounds do not require a re-decision by the National Assembly at a level where the identity does not change. Therefore, I would like to say that all the civil wars that have been and have disappeared with this are speculations, unreasonable claims, and unreasonable misleading stories.

[Anchor]
So, the story goes back to the time of former President Park Geun Hye's impeachment trial, but the Democratic Party's position is that it can be done then and not now, and the people's power is different from then, right?

[Lee Junwoo]
That's right. If the charge of rebellion is admitted, it's the maximum death penalty. It's a huge charge that could put President Yoon Suk Yeol to death. Life imprisonment and simple family members are also subject to up to five years in prison. My brother was charged with such a heavy charge, but now it is not a crime of rebellion, it is an act of rebellion.

This can be called a pun. If we went back to the past and said the same, could this have been passed if we put the act of rebellion, not rebellion, as the reason for the impeachment? Because even within the National Assembly, if you put in an act of rebellion that is not a crime of rebellion, what difference does this make, and can we be guilty of this? You can argue about it like this.

Because there are actions and no crimes that apply, this problem arises, but will it be passed at the plenary session? I think this is a matter of discussing it again in the National Assembly and re-deciding the impeachment bill because you can come back in that way.

[Anchor]
If the content of the prosecution continued to change on the part of the People's Power, if it was different, the lawmakers might not have approved of it at the time. That's why it's argued that we need to re-decide.

[Applicant owner]
There's no point in that. So, even if you look at the contents of the impeachment motion at that time, just because the crime of rebellion has changed to an act of rebellion, does this change its position? So the explanation itself is all about the decree at the time, the things that tried to dissolve the National Assembly, and so on. I didn't pick it up. It's not like I've added anything new.

The fact that they will judge such acts as actions, not crimes, is that they will be judged by changing the contents of the Constitutional Court. The Constitutional Court is not a higher authority in criminal trials. The Constitutional Court decides only two things, whether to dismiss or not. Therefore, even if a criminal trial is a crime of rebellion, there are various grounds for judgment such as the death penalty, life imprisonment, or life imprisonment.

However, things that come out of the Constitutional Court lead to dismissal in this regard, or dismiss them. It's one of the two. So, if we judge the behavior, this can be a little clearer. This is what floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said in 2017, and I'm telling you that no one will, but I hope the Constitutional Court will read the ruling, as Rep. Lee Joon-woo and politicians of the People's Power do. If I tell you, there is an incident called 2016 Heonna1. It's clearly stated there, so I think you'd better read it and talk about it.

[Anchor]
Controversy in the political community is likely to continue for the time being, but the fire at the moment is the arrest warrant of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit. The expiration date is until midnight tomorrow, so which way will the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit go if it re-executes the arrest warrant or applies for a preliminary arrest warrant?

[Lee Junwoo]
I think it will be practically difficult to re-enforce tomorrow. First of all, there is a lot of heavy snow, so it's a bad situation for the country and we have to respond. In this situation, if you forcefully re-execute it, for example, people may resist or respond to heavy snow, and an accident may occur due to snow. Then it's going to get bigger again.

So, because the security agency actively responded once again, there were some cases where they couldn't execute them, so if they couldn't execute them at once, they wouldn't have done it twice, so the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit probably jumped in with that determination. So it seems practically difficult to re-enforce it. Also, supporters are gathering from all over the country to block arrest warrants even though it's Sunday at this time.

That's why I think there's a possibility like this. There is also the possibility of correcting the request for an arrest warrant. Or, there is a way to extend the dismissal of the arrest warrant, and if the arrest period is extended, there is a day when President Yoon Suk Yeol appears at the Constitutional Court. I think we can try to execute an arrest warrant at the scene when we come out after pleading at the Constitutional Court that day.

It's an extension of the warrant. If so, it will actually be possible for me, but it will be difficult to realize. Because in a situation where a large number of pros and cons gather, physical conflicts are expected because the security service will be thicker, so I think it will be difficult for the security service to enforce it.

[Anchor]
Then this time, I'll ask you a question like this. Rather than predicting the airlift, what do you think the airlift should do?

[Applicant owner]
The Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit executed the arrest warrant a little loosely in 5 hours and 20 minutes last time and backed down. That's why I'm being criticized a lot, and I don't think it's time for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to look at anyone. The rule of law of the Republic of Korea is at the most important crossroads. An arrest warrant issued by the court is a constitutional issuance warrant.

The arrest warrant of the judiciary cannot be rejected by anyone in the Republic of Korea. For whatever reason. But if any person in power refuses an arrest warrant this time and is investigated or punished without detention, will the legal order of the Republic of Korea be in proper order? Then all the felons will reject it.

It's illegal to buy expensive lawyers, arrest warrants can't be admitted. Will the judicial order of the Republic of Korea go back properly? In that sense, I have to enforce it firmly. Of course, there are concerns about safety accidents or collisions due to various conditions, but they do not execute it because it snows. You're not going to execute because you're afraid of an accident? That's not it. The collapse of the constitutional order of the Republic of Korea is happening again. I think the civil war is still going on.

The reason is that the president's security office, called the Security Service, uses its security rights to block the arrest warrant based on the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. This is an act equivalent to civil war. So, if this continues, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit must go to the point where it is charged with sympathizing with or advocating a rebellion under the assumption that the civil war is still ongoing, as well as obstructing the execution of public affairs and special affairs, so that the nation's judicial order can stand up properly. In that sense, I believe that enforcement should take place.

[Anchor]
President Yoon's logic is that he does not respond to the arrest warrant itself because it is illegal. And then I filed an objection with the court, and I filed an objection to the warrant, and the court rejected it. However, President Yoon's dismissal does not mean that the warrant is legal. What do you think about this?

[Lee Junwoo]
This is meaningful. In the Western District Court, Judge Ma Sung-hyun of Criminal Chamber 7 did it. If you look at the reason, it's Article 417 of the Criminal Procedure Act. If you disagree with detention, seizure, or punishment, you can claim it. The president also requested it because he could make a claim, but how to judge detention is that he does not judge because detention has not actually been made.

The search was not judged again because it did not fall under the provisions of Article 417. So, it's not this judgment that an arrest warrant is legal, it's not because no detention has been made, and the search is not judged because there are no relevant regulations in Article 417, so an arrest warrant is justified.

It may be a little difficult for the general public to understand, but I did a perjury teacher, but I'm not a perjury teacher, it's similar to this, as representative Lee Jae-myung said. Because it's in that form, it's not that an arrest warrant is justified. Also, as many people know, didn't the judge in charge of warrants say that Articles 110 and 111 of the Criminal Procedure Act do not apply to his arrest warrant?

This is an illegal warrant because it has created room for a warrant judge to be politically criticized in the sense that there has never been a single warrant request that can be criticized as a legislative judge or political judge in this way, while claiming warrants around the world.

[Anchor]
However, this time, it is reasonable to assume that Article 137 of the Criminal Procedure Act applies to a search aimed at finding the accused, and in that case, Article 110 of the Criminal Procedure Act does not apply. How do you interpret it?

[Applicant owner]
So, Rep. Lee Joon-woo has explained various things, but if you look at the contents of today's dismissal, the conclusion is that the applicant's claim is dismissed because there is no reason. What the applicant's claim is that it is illegal. Then what's the opposite of rejection? That means it's legal. The court also judged that the arrest warrant was legal.

We also talked about face-to-face searches for that reason. The scope of the search does not correspond to Articles 111 and 112 of the Criminal Code to arrest individuals for human beings. President Yoon Suk Yeol argued that it was unconstitutional because he judged such claims. He also goes into great detail. The judiciary is an act that judges can do within the scope of the jurisdiction to interpret the law. So what the judiciary can do is interpret the statute in an easy-to-understand way.

That's why I wrote it down there. So, this did not violate legislative power, but it was written down well so that the judge could easily understand it so that there was no conflict between the judiciary, which was rejected as not unconstitutional. So, in terms of how kindly the court is explaining how far-fetched the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is right now, I can understand why the expression that the people are mean comes from the editorial. The expression "bruel" means that it's really dirty and dirty. Would such a thing be said in a newspaper article?

[Lee Junwoo]
If I'm right, there was a raid during the Moon Jae In administration last time under former President Moon Jae In. About the Blue House. However, this phrase is not included in the search and seizure at that time. None of the warrants contains the words of arrest warrants that do not fall under Articles 110 and 112 of the Criminal Procedure Act or exclude them.

But why are you in this government? That's why the standard goes back and forth. The standards are low under President Yoon Suk Yeol's administration, the standards are high under the Moon Jae In administration, and the standards are going back and forth.Would the people admit that crab is legal? So I'm saying that this standard is unjustified why the Moon Jae In government protects arrest warrants and then why the Yoon Suk Yeol government does not protect them.

[Anchor]
Let's talk about the security service this time. Rep. Choo Mi-ae said that she received such a tip that the chief of security ordered the firing of live ammunition at the time of the execution of the warrant. The security service countered that it was not true. But is this a possible story?

[Lee Junwoo]
I think it's very dangerous for the opposition party to say it's a tip-off and just throw it around. We've already experienced it, haven't we? What happened during the impeachment of former President Park Geun Hye? Regarding Ferry Sewol, there was a story that it was an unspeakable personal attack. There were talks about

and 7 hours of Ferry Sewol, such as former President Park Geun Hye's gut, up-do, or honeymoon, but I turned around saying that all of these were reports, or that they were circulating in the community.

Also, the U.S. sank after a submarine collided with a Ferry Sewol. There have been too many unconfirmed stories, etc. How's everything going? I went to the Constitutional Court and argued criminally, but none of them have been confirmed to be true. Everything turned out to be false. Recently, Kim Eo-jun came to the National Assembly and talked about the assassination team. An assassination team had been in operation. The operation of this assassination team should also be revealed to the National Assembly to the extent that it is disputed.

However, Choi Min-hee, chairman of the Science and Technology Defense Committee, did not allow me to take questions. Kim Eo-jun said that he was briefed on it, and he was not allowed to ask questions about it, but calling it a tip-off in this way and just throwing things that are not confirmed, unproven, or without evidence is just a strategy to incite the people, I think.

[Anchor]
You said that you're just throwing it under the name of Jodo. Why did this come out?

[Seo Yong-ju]
It's not right to throw the ball, but you're all getting hit. Rep. Kim Min-seok of the Democratic Party will have an emergency martial law. Even I didn't believe it. But that happened. That's when it was reported. After that, Kim Eo-jun came out and talked about various things about former CEO Han Dong-hoon. It's getting hit.

These incredible things are happening right now. That's happening through a report. The report is correct and how much does the President of Yoon Suk Yeol lie now without changing his face? He didn't even take out the body of his arrest. I'm telling the people that I've never let the National Assembly pass through or told them not to touch it. Then, are the generals of the Republic of Korea, the police chief, and the Seoul Metropolitan Office chief stupid? Are you out of your mind?

Why are they testifying the same? Arrested, arrested, locked up, and even an assassination attempt is being talked about. Roh Sang-won, I'm the former commander of the operation. What do you think? Roh Tae-hak, the chief justice of the Central Election Commission. I will take care of the Supreme Court myself. Bring a baseball bat. Who is the only person who can do emergency martial law in Korea when they are the ones who did this? Is there only one more president of Yoon Suk Yeol?

Who else can do it except him? However, in a situation where the head of the bodyguard is almost unaware, it is highly likely that the head of the bodyguard is also a major mission worker. [Lee Jun-woo] I think it's unfair to do everything confidently just because what Rep. Kim Min-seok said turned out to be true even if the clock is broken twice a day.

And isn't there a statement that the suspects made? Or the things that a Democratic Party member said on YouTube while crying may have been done to pass on to his boss at a disadvantage. Or you can make a mistake and make a statement. I tell you that this should be confirmed by going to trial later, and that it should not be concluded as true only by unilateral statements or claims from those people.

[Anchor]
the order of the chief of security to fire live ammunition I think we need to wait and see how the facts are revealed in this part. In the midst of this, Rep. Yoon Sang-hyun, the power of the people, entered his official residence a few days ago when the warrant was executed. At the same time, he said that the president's intention was to protect the constitution and the rule of law by refusing to comply with the warrant. How did you like it?

[Applicant owner]
To be honest, I wonder if it's worth listening to this side, the side who committed the civil war, anymore. This is because it destroys all the intelligence of the Republic of Korea and destroys all constitutional values and the rule of law. Isn't lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun a member of the National Assembly? One member of the National Assembly is a constitutional institution.

They have to protect the constitution themselves, but they are obligated to protect the constitution. However, he takes the side of the person who destroys the constitutional order and hides as if he were occupying the official residence without acknowledging his crimes, and refuses an arrest warrant based on the Constitution of the Republic of Korea. It is an offence. I didn't deserve it.

That's why I think the civil war is still going on. I think the jurisdiction of the Republic of Korea should be a little more sober. The civil war is not over. The civil war is still taking place in Hannam-dong's official residence, inside the Taegeukgi Unit, and within the power of the people.

I must hold everyone guilty, including those who clearly sympathize with the civil war, defend it, or instigate it, so that such acts of civil war will never occur in Korea again. In that regard, I need extensive investigation and legal application of the crimes of rebellion by the judiciary once again. Otherwise, there will continue to be such ridiculous claims, which I see as such.

[Anchor]
It's a kind of act of cooperation in civil war, do you see it like this?

[Applicant owner]
That's how I see it.

[Anchor]
How did you like it?

[Lee Junwoo]
I simply don't understand why the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit is so urgent. It has been more than four years since the establishment of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, but it has never produced a clear result. And the prosecutor, there are 40 people. We only have 15 people. As a result, it has not been successful for four years, so we are in a position to prove the meaning of the existence of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

That's why it's urgent. I'm in a hurry, so I have an obligation to step up and show that the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit has done something. Also, except for certain laws that did not exist for search and seizure warrants during the Moon Jae In government, should we accept such illegal arrest warrants just because they have been issued? Why, don't the people know that it's illegal now? The unconstitutional complaint is also very high.

When a judge legislates or a judge creates a law and decides on its application and non-appropriation, it has the power of judges and legislation and has the power of invincibility. How can we acknowledge such a judge's warrant? So, in principle, lawmaker Yoon Sang-hyun emphasized the illegality and unconstitutionality of the arrest warrant, I think so.

[Anchor]
Let's talk more about the execution of the arrest warrant. But there are rumors that there were also security guards and soldiers at that time. There is also a saying that ordinary soldiers have been seen. However, it is said that Kim Sun-ho, acting Minister of National Defense, opposed the deployment of military troops. How should I look at this?

[Applicant owner]
First of all, as I said, this is the biggest victim this time. All the generals have been arrested this time. I'm an important mission worker. There are 19 stars in total. Starting with the lieutenant general, 19 stars fell. In order to cause a civil war, the commander-in-chief of the president's army was arrested and turned into a criminal of a civil war.

Shouldn't the military have its own honor and order and discipline? Don't you think you can no longer sympathize with the civil war? So, the arrest warrant itself is also blocking the legal order of the Republic of Korea by the legal system, which is less than a handful of legal security laws called security rights.

Therefore, it is a reasonable judgment to say that the civil war still continues in Hannam-dong's official residence and that the military is aware of this part, of course, cannot agree with it. That's what the police will be like in the future. Now, they will all be punished as important mission workers of the civil war, along with those in Hannam-dong's official residence and the insurgents of the civil war. But I wonder what's wrong with those young soldiers. Why make them criminals?

[Anchor]
Next, let's look at the contents of the indictment of former Minister Kim Yong-hyun. Prime Minister Han Deok-soo and Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok tried to dissuade him from declaring the emergency martial law, but President Yoon pushed ahead with the announcement, saying, "If we change our plans now, everything will go wrong," and the reason for this is that the pro-North Korean leftists cannot be left alone. It came out like this. How did you see this part?

[Lee Junwoo]
I think President Yoon Suk Yeol will probably focus on this part when he goes to the Constitutional Court and clarify why I had to be considered an anti-state force. First of all, impeachment is well known, but there were 29 impeachment cases this time, right?

And he cut more than 4 trillion won in budget just because he could not do the nuclear power plant project, which was his presidential pledge, including the activities of the president, prosecutors, police, and investigative agencies. During the impeachment, I took out people and cut the budget, so I took out money.

In this situation, the opposition party also legislated to reduce the judicial risk of representative Lee Jae-myung, turning it into innocence if he was found guilty of violating the election law. That's why we legislated to allow the spread of false information. Then the function of the judiciary is also paralyzed. Should the government remain silent about the forces that paralyze the functioning of the executive branch and the functioning of the judiciary? Of course, we have to respond. But why is that?

From the perspective of the power of the Korean people and the president's office, I think this is because they are acting as an alternative to pro-China and pro-North Korea. Didn't Lee Jae-myung send illegal remittances to North Korea when he was governor of Gyeonggi Province? I think this is a very dangerous case that even overseas can't understand. The whole world is working together to impose sanctions on North Korea, and they are giving 8 million dollars in cash to North Korea. What does that mean?

If representative Lee Jae-myung takes power, he is certain to take pro-North Korea and pro-China steps, so the Financial Times in the UK also gave Lee Jae-myung a signature as a left-wing agitator. So, if the pro-North Korean left-wing entity goes to the Constitutional Court, it will be revealed more specifically through the president's direct argument. In addition, various suspicions of the Central Election Commission, allegations of fraudulent elections, and suspicions of fairness in election affairs are also expected to be discussed.

[Applicant owner]
Wait a minute, I have to point out that the person who said it could face legal action. So, CEO Lee Jae-myung's remittance to North Korea has not been finalized. What is misleading now, both as a left-wing president and in that regard, is still to benefit North Korea's remittance to the North, which is still a progress.

But the left-wing forces joined hands with North Korea as if it were definitive? It's a very dangerous remark, so I think it would be good to think carefully and make your remarks. First of all, that's right. It's delusional to talk about the emergency martial law in the pro-North Korean left. What shall we talk about at the Constitutional Court? Shouldn't we prove the pro-North Korean left?

Then, as I said, I impeached him 22 times, cut the budget, presented an independent counsel on my spouse in every case, and opposed my policies, so I am pro-North Korean leftists. It's just a partner with opposing factions. It's the opposition party. The opposition has met a rough opposition, so to speak. However, this is a rebellion that the government made a plan to make an emergency legislative body that seeks to dissolve the National Assembly by turning it into a pro-North Korean left-wing just because it created a rough opposition party.

So what are you going to talk about at the Constitutional Court? What is the pro-North Korean left? Give me proof. In order to make it, it took the members of the NEC deliberation committee under the chairman of the National Election Management Committee Roh Tae-ak and interrogated them and said, "This is a fraudulent election, and in the end, those who were elected through fraudulent elections are pro-North Korean leftists in the Democratic Party."

So, in this regard, I also ask Rep. Lee Joon-woo to correct his remarks on this part, which means that if this part is wrong, it could be a legal lawsuit. It is only known once the trial is over, but so far, there have been enough acts equivalent to civil war. I don't know if I'm alone. President Yoon Suk Yeol may have committed a crime alone, but rebellion is a collective crime. That's why I can't cover this up by denying it alone. So there is no room in that area. That's how I see it.

[Anchor]
It is said that former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun said before the emergency martial law that the people would agree if they uncovered evidence of fraudulent elections and manipulation of public opinion. What grounds did they make this judgment?

[Lee Junwoo]
That should be revealed. At that time, martial law forces entered the Central Election Commission and went to the training center, didn't they? So the reason I tried to verify the server was last year. The National Intelligence Service and the Ministry of Public Administration and Security jointly conducted a security inspection, and there were traces of hacking, right?

It has also been proven that seven out of eight hacks are North Korean hacks. And if you look at the Central Election Commission, there were a lot of hiring irregularities, and the method of hiring irregularities was to fix the score. Then, there were signs of North Korea's hacking and signs of illegal recruitment manipulation of scores, so it is natural to question whether the NEC could properly and fairly conduct election affairs.

But when I asked to verify it, the NEC refused. We'll take care of it. Even though the NIS asked me to receive external consulting several times, I refused in the end, so I couldn't get external consulting. And in the case of passwords, 12345 is the NEC, which uses passwords like this, but hasn't it been confirmed that election counting and voting are manipulated?

It was confirmed by the National Intelligence Service monitoring it. That's why it's natural to verify this. That's how the people can properly reflect one vote I voted for and one precious vote. This is something you can trust. I think it's necessary at least to clear up the misunderstanding to the people. When Deputy Spokesperson Seo Yong-joo just said, I want to ask you the other way around. Former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young has been confirmed to have illegal remittances to North Korea in the second trial.

By the way, who was the superior of Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young? Lee Jae-myung was the governor of Gyeonggi Province at the time. I'm sending 8 million dollars, can the lieutenant governor send it as a transfer? I don't think it's appropriate to talk about representative Lee Jae-myung as if he's confirmed and talk about the current president of Yoon Suk Yeol as if he's confirmed.

[Applicant owner]
That's not it. For former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young, 2.3 million out of 8 million dollars were recognized for remittance to North Korea, but it is speculated whether Lee Jae-myung knows or not. Former Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young informed Lee Jae-myung of the time, but he is facing trial for three-way bribery. I know what you're saying. My facts are right.

So, has the court confirmed the charges that Governor Lee Jae-myung sent it at the time? That's not right. However, what is called the South Buddha right now is the fact that President Yoon Suk Yeol is happening before our eyes. So you have to at least deal with the investigation and prosecution, but you're arguing with me because you're not doing that. But what I told you is that as if representative Lee Jae-myung gave $2.3 million in remittance to North Korea, I will not say anything if the ruling is made.

To the Supreme Court. But that's not it. And it is still not known whether former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young reported to Governor Lee Jae-myung or not. That's what I'm saying. I didn't say that earlier. Representative Lee Jae-myung's remittance to North Korea and he is a person who can sympathize with North Korea is a dangerous statement because it is not true and it has been misunderstood. That's the story.

[Anchor]
We're going to talk less about this part. Let's talk a little more about martial law. Immediately after declaring an emergency martial law, the government tried to block the funds of the National Assembly and create an emergency legislative body. President Yoon claims that it is a warning measure. How should I look at this part?

[Lee Junwoo]
Well, didn't you explain that martial law was declared as a warning measure? However, from the standpoint of the military organization, the scenario is warning in the military, so when the military organization moves, it doesn't just move at the level of warning.

As all the men who have served in the military know, just as they always have the highest level of security or security in case of war, if you conduct martial law once you have all the protocols 1 to 100, you will proceed with it. One of the protocols that you see probably had this part. I think it seems unreasonable to say that it was aimed at something like this when doing martial law by bringing it up.

[Anchor]
It turns out that martial law soldiers prepared and took more than 50,000 rounds of live ammunition at the time, so can we understand that it is a warning measure?

[Applicant owner]
I'm not convinced. So, the president of Yoon Suk Yeol is lying constantly in Hannam-dong, and we don't have to listen to everything one by one. However, the creation of an emergency legislative body is simply dissolution of the National Assembly. The National Assembly was dissolved, the legislature was formed with people who liked it, and the administration took control of the legislature and blew up the separation of the three powers of the Republic of Korea. This is the civil war and the civil war.

So I don't have to ask anything else about this. Even if this part of the creation of an emergency legislative body is proven, this is a clear violation of the crime of rebellion. After all, no matter how much political pressure the opposition party can't handle you politically, it's not a war, it's not an incident, and it's not a situation where the order of security is not maintained. It's just a situation that doesn't suit your mind. I was just sad and angry about my personal feelings, but I did emergency martial law. I don't think there's anything more than that right now.

[Anchor]
Let's stop here. Lee Joon-woo, a member of the People's Power Media Special Committee, and Seo Yong-joo, a former deputy spokesperson of the Democratic Party of Korea. Thank you for talking today.