[News NIGHT] Police, metropolitan police, and detectives...'The White Team' Appears in the National Assembly

■ Host: anchor Sung Moon-gyu
■ Appearance: Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, Park Chang-hwan, special professor at Jangan University

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[Anchor]
It's time for "Focus Night" to point out the news of political interest. Today, Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University. Please come in. As the arrest warrant for President Yoon Suk Yeol is reissued, attention is being paid to when the second execution will take place. The National Investigation Headquarters of the police issued an order to mobilize all detectives in the metropolitan area. It is expected that nearly 1,000 people will be dispatched, including the Criminal Task Force.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
Strict law enforcement must be carried out, which is what both the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the National Investigation Agency promised to the people. At the time of the first warrant execution last time, there were about 200 bodyguards, but they couldn't penetrate them with 100. I'm expecting that there will be about 400 people in the tent this time. Then, within the scope of no accident or collision, we have no choice but to go unarmed, but the people who actively arrested or arrested gang members are the ones who fought against gang members, detectives. I'm going to pick people like this. At least 1,000 people should be able to execute law smoothly and execute warrants even if they are taken out one by one, for example, one by one. However, the fact is that after the first failed execution of the warrant last time, we should send a police commando, we should send a helicopter. There have been various talks, but in that case, there are concerns about the use of force by the security service, and there may be accidents that can occur if armed, so I think there will be a picture of us predicting that we will break through the curtain with unarmed forces.

[Anchor]
The number is now more than 900, and if the original number of the National Investigation Headquarters is combined with about 100 people, that's why the number is 1,000. I wonder if the police have shown their willingness to re-execute and execute arrest warrants, and the possibility of armed conflict seems to be greater. What do you think?

[Jang Sung Ho]
In a way, it's like some kind of war. It's like you're in a psychological war and you do this in a war, don't you? Propaganda is political propaganda, but when you neutralize the other person, you play a lot of media. Isn't it difficult from the perspective of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit after the first failure? That's why in the second round, there's a lot of risk because various scenarios come out through various experts and even there's something like that to use violence. Arrest warrants or arrest warrants are directed at the president. . And isn't the government office a first-class security facility? Nevertheless, I will call up all 1,000 detectives in the Seoul metropolitan area and use them to arrest the president. Then, when you enter the government residence, which is a first-class security facility, isn't there a security zone set up according to the Security Act? The security zone is legally established, and since President Yoon Suk Yeol is not a civilian now, but an incumbent president and head of state, it is necessary for bodyguards to protect it with their lives. This is whether the arrest warrant is legal or illegal. Nevertheless, now...

[Anchor]
Legal or illegal, you have to defend it with your life? Not

[Jang Sung Ho]
From the standpoint of the bodyguards, there is a high possibility that they think so. So, there are barbed wire, barricades, buses, and so on. Then will it be possible to mobilize 1,000 or 2,000 people to damage the property and enter? That's quite a bit of violence for me, isn't it? Will it be able to complete the arrest warrant by doing so? The mishap is much bigger, so we need to be careful about the way we do it.

[Anchor]
First of all, it seems right to create a large-scale workforce, but today he is the head of the National Investigation Headquarters. Director Woo. It's a very novel story to mobilize helicopters, armored vehicles, and equipment, but we're not reviewing it, and we're talking about it that much. In the midst of this, those who call themselves the Anti-Communist Youth Corps, saying they would prevent the arrest of President Yoon, launched the Baekgoldan. Today, a press conference was held at the National Assembly under the arrangement of former lawmaker Kim Min, and opposition parties were very opposed. Let's listen to what he said.

[Kim Min-jeon / National Assemblyman of People's Power: Today, I would like to introduce ★ the press conference of the Anti-Communist Youth Corps★. I'd like to tell you if they're protesting in Hannam-dong and their voices. ]

[Kim Jeong-hyun / Anti-Communist Youth Corps CEO: Some media outlets have introduced us as Baekgoldan. Our leadership decided to call the official name of the ★ organization the Anti-Communist Youth Corps ★. We would like to inform you that the ★ Baekgoldan will be operated ★ as an organization under the Anti-Communist Youth Corps. ]

[Kang Kyung-sook / Cho Kuk Innovation Party Member: ★Shocking★. ★The name reminds me of the Northwestern Youth Corps, a far-right anti-communist organization that did not hesitate to commit white terrorism during the U.S. military government.★ Baekgoldan is a word ★ that refers to plainclothes police officers who ruthlessly suppressed citizens who participated in the democratization movement in the 1980s and 1990s with violence. ]

[Anchor]
Baekgoldan. There are a lot of friends in our company who don't know Baekgoldan. What's a white bone? Please explain this first.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
Most of the middle-aged people who passed through the 80s and 90s are probably familiar names. In the past, there were many armed demonstrations such as throwing stones or throwing firebombs during pro-democracy protests, but in this case, there are dissolution and arrest. The dissolution was mainly carried out by riot police and by riot police called combat police. It was called the white bone group because it had a plainclothes shell that actively tracked and arrested. But in the case of plain clothes, they wear the so-called jean jacket, the clothes we know, hats, helmets, and clubs.

[Anchor]
It's mainly white helmet, so it's called the white bone.

[Park Changhwan]
That's right. That's the nickname, but the problem is that he wielded the club mercilessly in the process of arresting it with this club. Then, in fact, a lot of events occurred. There were cases of being seriously injured or seriously injured, and in 1991, Kang Kyung-dae, a student in the Myongji University, was killed by a pipe from the Baekgoldan, and then disappeared into the back of history. In fact, today was very shocking. The anti-communist youth group and the white bone group. How can you turn the wheel of history back like this? It's the retreat of history and the retreat of democracy, I have to say this. Above all, in the case of the anti-communist youth group, President Syngman Rhee is a white terrorist, so-called political gangster, to disperse protests after the March 15 election. Then, do people who gathered to protect the president of Yoon Suk Yeol now use names like the Anti-Communist Youth Corps and the Baekgol Team? Do they really know the history? And seeing the people's fearless use of these terms, I think that President Yoon Suk Yeol's martial law rebellion and the anti-communist youth and the white gold band are in line like this.

[Anchor]
So today was a day when people who were surprised by the emergency martial law were surprised by the white bone once more. So, the ruling party leadership was drawing a line because of the criticism that they don't know what Baekgoldan means and that they will revive the political gang to bulletproof President Yoon.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Former lawmaker Kim Min also said he would hold an anti-communist youth press conference in the first place, so his aide explained this, and he didn't seem to know that it was named Baekgoldan until he came to the press conference at the time. So, if you listen to it now, I will work under the name of the Anti-Communist Youth Corps as a protection of the regime or a patriotic young man who will block the arrest warrant of President Yoon Suk Yeol around Hannam-dong's official residence. So, then let's just do it. So I came to the press conference.

[Anchor]
Are you saying that you didn't know the reality?

[Jang Sung Ho]
I think I did it without knowing. Former lawmaker Kim Min also made the announcement.

[Anchor]
The post on social media is coming out now.

[Jang Sung Ho]
That's why I'm canceling today's press conference, didn't you say that? It's true that you didn't know that, and why don't you know about Baekgoldan because former lawmaker Kim Min also majored in political science? So, I went out without knowing that, and there, the head of the anti-communist youth group said that the name is called the Baekgoldan in the media, so I think this error was a problem in communication.

[Anchor]
He said that the emergency martial law was done as a warning, and the Baekgoldan did not know about it and even held a press conference at the National Assembly. In the meantime, there was another urgent question at the National Assembly today. The ruling and opposition parties had a rough battle over the execution of President Yoon's arrest warrant and the impeachment trial. I'll listen to it myself.

[Na Kyung-won / People's Power: Did the Constitutional Court try to speed up the impeachment hearings for rough-and-ready judgments, for rough-and-ready hearings, and ★ In order to speed up the election law violation case of Representative Lee Jae-myung, ★ In an effort to secure the impeachment hearings, ★ In an impeachment resolution, 80% of the cases are treason. That's why we're talking. After all, in the process of ★impeachment, isn't this fraudulent impeachment or prosecution fraud ★ we're talking about this. ]

[Kwon Chilseung / Democratic Party of Korea: Conservative YouTube revenue estimation. That's a month's income. But the longest one is over 400 million won. But that's a very good revenue model for far-right conservative YouTube. ★The fact that a president of a country has been gaslighted by conspiracy theorists who are mischievous for money ★ is a sad reality that cannot be believed and is ridiculous. / ★The warrant is not some kind of favorite food. ★ The suspect chose the type of warrant and designated the issuance court. ]

[Dongwoon Oh / Director of Airborne: If it interferes with our warrant execution work, ★ obstruction of public service execution will be applied as well ★. There is no theory that if (a lawmaker) commits the same crime, ★ the current criminal will be arrested. ★]

[Anchor]
To start with the final story of Senior Superintendent of Airborne Division Oh Dong-woon, as the police ordered the mobilization of detectives in the Seoul metropolitan area earlier, if he blocks the execution of arrest warrants, lawmakers can also be arrested as active offenders. You showed a fairly strong will, can you interpret it like this, how did you hear it?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's right. After the first arrest warrant was thwarted on the 3rd, the public criticized it. Civil servants blocked the execution of a court warrant in a democratic country. It's a different story from what private citizens who support unions or politicians have blocked in the past. This was a matter of national discipline and a complete breakdown of the law and order. Therefore, I will certainly execute the warrant by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the National Police Agency. And it's a situation where I promised to make it happen to the people like this. This is a clear violation of the current law, as shown in the video now, even if lawmakers are blocking it. Dismissal of the execution of public affairs or in the case of a group, it is an obstruction of the execution of special public affairs. Those who violate
are equal before the law. In the past, not a single president has refused a court warrant. In this regard, not only Yoon Suk Yeol but also government officials and lawmakers gathered to protect Yoon Suk Yeol should not refuse to enforce the law strictly, not preventing it. And since arresting people as current offenders is an application of the people's common sense of equality before the law, regardless of the political meaning of defending the rebellion, lawmakers of the People's Power gathered last time for strict law enforcement and legal order, but they should never be prevented. In that case, the judicial order and foundation of the Republic of Korea will be shaken.

[Anchor]
The screen was on the 6th. On Monday, about 40 people on the last day of the validity of the first arrest warrant. About 44 members of the National Assembly gathered at the residence, how did you hear it? Oh Dong-woon, the head of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, said he could also be arrested as a red-handed offender.

[Jang Sung Ho]
Isn't it a natural thing to say from the perspective of Senior Superintendent of Public Offences Oh Dong-woon? It is true that our judicial order is to punish those who obstruct the execution of public affairs for obstructing the execution of public affairs, and of course, it should be illegal, but would active lawmakers really attack prosecutors or detectives who come to execute them when about 40 people from the People's Power were in front of their official residence last time? The presidential office and the presidential lawyers say that this is an unfair execution of warrants, and why is it illegal for about 40 members of the People's Power to go out and do it from the perspective of the representative, whose injustice was chosen by the people? Don't you think it's a distraction, and didn't the National Assembly make an advancement law to eliminate violence as well? It's the same here, too. It's not in the National Assembly, but it's in front of the official residence, but many members of the People's Power claim that it's wrong to arrest the president and tie him up in the middle of the gun or escort him, and that the lawmakers who now claim that it's wrong for the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit to do this are not going to use violence to stop this execution. Likewise, if you push it in like the advanced method here, you have no choice but to just sit on the sidelines and see it, right? However, I think I can protest there, but if I go through the iron gate and enter the official residence and enter the security area, the security law is triggered, so from there, the conflict between the executor and the people who are guarding is quite dangerous. I'm worried about that because I see it like this, is it wrong for lawmakers to go and do it? Isn't the Democratic Party also going to the asphalt and protesting a lot right now?

[Anchor]
The warrant itself is a warrant issued by the judiciary, that is, a judge, and anyway, it's a public service execution, right? There are a lot of comments about the fact that lawmakers are blocking it.

[Jang Sung Ho]
At today's plenary session, aren't lawmakers Na Kyung-won and others arguing that the issuance of the warrant is unfair? Also, lawmakers aren't the only ones doing this because it's unfair, are they? That's why we want to let the people know that injustice even if we go out there.

[Anchor] Professor
Park, do you have anything to say?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
How will it look to the public that lawmakers are blocking the execution of law and order, especially warrants issued by the judiciary? In particular, those who favor impeachment and those who oppose it are giving and rallying in front of it. But there are a lot of conflicts between them. For example, opponents of impeachment are assaulting pro-impeachment people, pouring water on them, and many things are happening. Watching lawmakers in the so-called legislative branch prevent law enforcement, these things are rather encouraging people's conflicts. In this regard, it is not just an expression of opinion in that preventing strict law enforcement shakes the judicial foundation of the Republic of Korea and rather encourages such division and violence, but it is a division of public opinion as an action, a civil war, and a point of conflict in the Republic of Korea. I think I can pick it up. However, if you block it with your body, I think you have to deal with it strictly.

[Anchor]
The secretary-general of the Constitutional Court was present at the plenary session today when asked about urgent issues. You know the emergency decree, right? There were six articles in total. However, he said that it did not conform to the current constitution. I don't know if it reflected the entire atmosphere of the Constitutional Court because it was said by the secretary-general of the Constitutional Court, not anyone else. If the post of secretary general itself is the Supreme Court, isn't it the head of the court administration?

[Jang Sung Ho]
Isn't there an administrative chief? an office manager of a school or a government office.

[Anchor]
First of all, it's a ministerial level.

[Jang Sung Ho]
At the ministerial level, the Constitutional Court is the owner of the judges, and this is officially recognized only by the judges' judgment. What can't you say from the standpoint of the secretary general? I don't think there's any compulsory clause or compulsory meaning to any of this. Of course, there is a possibility of violating the Constitution and laws on this, it becomes an impeachment, it does not mean that it will be dismissed, does it? If you look at the requirements of our impeachment, it is stated in Article 65 (1) of the Constitution, which is related to the execution of duties and which would violate the Constitution and laws, when these two requirements are met, this is unconstitutional and can be impeached. Didn't you say it was illegal? Don't you think almost 100% of all Koreans think that it is illegal to go to the National Assembly and break windows? Nevertheless, what has been consistent since the impeachment of former President Roh Moo Hyun is that there must be the seriousness of illegality in order to dismiss the president from his post. The secretary general does not judge the seriousness of this illegality. Who does the seriousness of illegality? We'll put everything together and listen to both sides later. . . There are eight of us now. It is a violation of the law from the standpoint of the secretary general because the side that six out of the eight judges agree to decide whether to dismiss or dismiss. That's what all of our people recognize now.

[Anchor]
Professor Park.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
Since the secretary-general of the Constitutional Court is not a constitutional judge, it is not necessary to view this as the perspective of the Constitutional Court. Nevertheless, when we had martial law on December 3 a month ago, not all citizens had met the requirements for invocation. And there are also procedural problems. This was the first reason why emergency martial law itself was unconstitutional. After the lifting of the
martial law, the National Assembly called the members of the State Council and asked questions about pending issues. At that time, almost all members of the State Council, including the Prime Minister, believe that emergency martial law requirements are not met. And I said that there was a defect in the procedure. In the end, the members of the State Council at the time admitted that the announcement of martial law itself was already unconstitutional. And Proclaimer No. 1, or Prohibition of Political Activities, deleted the right to dissolve the National Assembly at the time of the Constitution of the Sixth Republic. Why did you delete it? The president has the power to invoke martial law, but the National Assembly has given him the power to dissolve it. In order to prevent this, the right to dissolve the National Assembly was removed, but banning political activities and prohibiting the activities of the National Assembly, local governments, and parliaments would eventually violate the Constitution and clearly violate the Constitution. In this regard, since he violated the constitution through his duties, he will answer like this even if he holds onto the passing people, not the secretary-general of the Constitutional Court. In the end, I have to say that this is such a common sense story that meets the public's eye level.

[Jang Sung Ho]
To say a little, political activity is prohibited in Paragraph 1. It is true that the martial law law was violated and the constitution was violated. Then, if political activity is prohibited, shouldn't all voting rights be suspended and banned in the National Assembly?
But in an hour and a half that day, the National Assembly voted to lift martial law and sent it back to the government, and the government received this and declared it lifted by the president, didn't it? That's why decree No. 1 of prohibiting political activities violated laws and the Constitution for violating martial law, but nevertheless did not completely eliminate or suspend various full powers of the National Assembly, so isn't the function of the National Assembly alive? That's why I think it should be considered by the Constitutional Court.

[Anchor]
It was the story of the Constitutional Court's secretary general, but in the end, they said that the hearing does not mean much because it is done by constitutional judges. Let's go back to talking about the National Assembly today. Six opposition parties, including the Democratic Party of Korea, have reissued the Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and started a race for speed. The ruling party is also expected to come up with its own amendment, so let's listen to the related remarks first.

[Kwon Seong-dong / People's Power Floor Leader: I am deeply grateful to my fellow Member for joining forces in making a responsible decision. ★Thank you to the acting leaders of the two who did not give in to the large opposition party's legislative rush ★ and gave up their courage ★. The power of the people is ★ we will not negotiate because of fear. At the same time, the discussion of removing the toxin clause from the ★ bill will not be afraid ★. Within the framework of the Constitution, ★Let's start an effective legislative discussion on the twin special prosecution law ★. ]

[Park Chan-dae / Floor Leader of the Democratic Party of Korea: The power of the people ★ Like 'Sodom and Gomorrah', which was destroyed because there were no 10 righteousness ★ There are no 8 righteousness ★ We are destined to go down the path of destruction ★. The Democratic Party of Korea will immediately reissue the Independent Counsel Act on Insurrection in a third-party recommendation method that added ★ foreign exchange attraction. It has already been revealed that Yoon Suk Yeol induced a military attack on North Korea to justify the December 3 civil war. ★The truth of the foreign exchange crime that tried to push the people into the devastation of the war should be revealed in detail★. ]

[Anchor]
It was just yesterday. The National Assembly voted again on the Insurrection Special Prosecutors Act. It had to be more than two-thirds to pass, but 198 people, 200 and two votes short, agreed. Among them, the ruling party has six votes and at least six votes, so I think the opposition party just needs to add a little more. I've proposed an amendment, so please introduce the main points, Professor Park.

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
At the core, what was the main reason why the people's power has rejected the special prosecution? It was said that only the opposition party recommended, that is, the special prosecutor appointed by the opposition party, was not allowed. The opposition party's special prosecution law on insurrection has finally taken issue with this, which is a third-party recommendation, that is, if the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court recommends two independent counsel candidates, the acting president appoints one of them, which has greatly accepted what the people's power has claimed so far.

[Anchor]
Originally, it was only recommended by the opposition party. [Park Changhwan] That's right. I think the power of the people will no longer have a justification to reject this because we changed the two recommended by the opposition, which were supposed to be appointed by the acting president. In this regard, the acting president, who has said that it should be an independent counsel law by agreement between the ruling and opposition parties, will find it difficult to veto the issues that the opposition party has made concessions to this extent. Above all, I think there will be more votes to leave the people's power. I've said that the violation of the law recommended by the opposition party is a violation of the constitution, so I revised this part, and I think this will increase the possibility of more than eight votes from the people's power in the next vote. [Anchor] As you just said, we've collected a lot of the toxic clauses that the ruling party pointed out, so what's the position of the ruling party on this opposition amendment?

[Jang Sung Ho]
Opposition parties say they will get more than six votes and eight votes, but I won't get more than six votes. Will the amendment really be a consensus with the power of the people? I don't think it can be agreed. Because it's not formally like that, is it? I decided to leave it to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to recommend a third party. And there's no right to the earth. The format is, but if you go into the content once, can you agree on the content? It is not a matter that can be agreed upon at all. And the special prosecution should be done by agreement between the ruling party and the opposition party, but is there anything that the ruling party and the opposition party have agreed on in the previous special prosecution? I don't think so, do I? Likewise, in the Druking case, didn't representative Choo Mi-ae conduct a Druking special prosecution because the Democratic Party agreed?
But today, the six opposition parties alone raise the special prosecution, instead making it a third-party recommendation method, and the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court does it and removes the veto. And the number of investigators will be reduced from 205 to 155. The investigation preparation period is 170 to 150. Isn't it quite urgent? So if I tell you a little more, I think it would be a mistake to think that the power of the people in this situation would deviate just because the Democratic Party received what former representative Han Dong-hoon had claimed. Content, content is important.

[Anchor]
So, I will prepare my own amendment from the power of the people, and I saw it on the screen a while ago. The scope of the investigation should be drastically reduced as the floor leader Kwon Sung-dong said he would start discussing effective legislation. And since he said that the briefing should be limited and said that he would come up with his own amendment anyway, I wonder if that will lead to an agreement by compromising the contents of the opposition party's amendment and the ruling party's legislation.

[Jang Sung Ho]
I am fundamentally unable to reach an agreement. Isn't it the current situation that the Democratic Party of Korea is in quite a hurry and the power of the people should be quite relaxed? You have to pull it. Regarding the independent counsel for the insurrection, there are 14 things if you look at the Democratic Party's independent counsel now.
If you collect evidence through the seizure and search of the NIS, the military, and the special prosecutor here, you must open everything between the NIS and the military to the special prosecutor. And there are 15 special prosecution laws for Kim Gun-hee. Deutsche Motors stock price manipulation and election nomination intervention are both closely related to the power of the people, and any lawmaker who can take them to press briefing and investigate them, and if they refuse to submit data, they will be disciplined. For example, if you ask the People's Power to submit data but fail to submit it, the People's Power Party leader must discipline the representative, so what's important is that the investigation is broad, but related cases recognized during this investigation can be investigated separately. Isn't it like this? Then, this is the special prosecution proposal currently proposed by six opposition parties, and if we reduce it from the power of the people to suit the taste of the people's power in one or two ways, the Democratic Party of Korea cannot receive it now, right?

[Anchor]
So, don't you have to try to find out?

[Jang Sung Ho]
No, I have to try it. After doing this with each other, the Democratic Party is quite urgent now, so we won't be able to negotiate for more than a week.

[Anchor]
So, did you set a deadline within this week? What happened in the Democratic Party?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
I want it to pass as soon as possible, so it will take a few days for this to be put forward.

[Anchor]
It seemed like you were talking about the 14th. Is it next Tuesday?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's about it. But the question is, will the people's power be able to come up with an amendment now? I think it's hard to come up with an amendment. In particular, don't about 40 lawmakers hold a sit-in in front of the official residence? Then, they are the so-called special prosecutors for civil war proposed by the power of the people, who do not even recognize civil war now. Will they be able to agree to the so-called independent counsel's proposal of the People's Power through party opinions? If more than 40 pro-Yoon strongmen oppose it within the power of the people, I believe that the amendment can never be made. Beyond that...

[Anchor]
Then why did he say he was getting ready now?

[PARK CHANG HWAN]
That's what I'm saying. It is doubtful whether efforts to reveal the truth without fear of the people will be able to persuade all such internal opposition to make a plan. We have no choice but to worry about whether we are trying to take time after saying this.

[Jang Sung Ho]
I don't mean to take time. What responsible thing should the ruling party do? So for now, the prosecution, the police, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit are stepping up their investigation considerably, and if we do an independent counsel here, everything will come as an independent counsel, but doesn't this preparation take another 30 to 40 days? That's why you should weigh the efficiency first and then really give the power of the people. Then do one or two things and the Democratic Party will never receive it. Isn't there something else that the Democratic Party wants? That's why I think it's quite likely that the two parties will talk to each other and just go one way or the other between the Democratic Party and the six opposition parties.

[Anchor]
Again, the people's power said it would prepare an amendment, but they say in common that there is no possibility of the agreement being realistic. Jang Sung-ho, former president of Konkuk University Graduate School of Public Administration, and Park Chang-hwan, a special professor at Jangan University. Thank you both.