Han Donghoon's "3 Demands"...Will the president's office respond?

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■ Starring: Choi Chang-ryul, Special Professor at Yongin University, Kim Jin, former Editorial Writer at JoongAng Ilbo

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[Anchor]
Political commentary with a living angle, let's start at the minute. Today, Kim Jin, a former editorial writer of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University, are here. Welcome. Let's check the content of the first keyword. Supreme Council member Kim Jong-hyuk evaluated the results of the by-elections as Han Dong-hoon's personal talent. The public opinion is not good right now, but it's the effect of Han Dong-hoon. That's what I'm talking about. Let's hear what you're talking about.

[Anchor]
The close circle continues to talk about this. Is the Han Dong-hoon effect correct?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
If you look at the election environment, during the election. It is clear that the party's approval rating is not good, and the controversy over Kim Dae-nam and Myung Tae-kyun was intensifying, and the opposition candidates were unified. Geumjeong is the garden of the people's power.It is true that there was a prospect that Ma said, "Isn't this dangerous?" Nevertheless, CEO Han Dong-hoon should refrain from the activities of First Lady Kim Gun-hee and present results that the public will understand about the alleged manipulation of Deutsche Motors stock price. And demanded a personnel reshuffle of the president's office during the election.

The difference from the presidential office is clear. So I think that it would have been very difficult without this. So, even if it's hard to say that it's the Han Dong-hoon effect in terms, it should be said that the differentiation from the president worked anyway. Because there must have been a lot of bad things for the ruling party I mentioned earlier. And I won by 61%.

Last time, representative Han Dong-hoon ran for the national convention, so 60% of it came out. This is not because CEO Han Dong-hoon ran for office, but he won more than I thought. From that point of view, I think it is possible to analyze afterwards from representative Han Dong-hoon's point of view of various problems in the presidential office.

[Anchor]
Anyway, if the result of the vote is bad, representative Han Dong-hoon could be kicked out, and he should be tired of being the last bastion of conservatism. It's an analysis that you kept it with this mind. Do you agree?

[Kim Jin]
I think the Han Dong-hoon effect is about a third. Cloudy crowds at campaign sites and popularity of selfies occurred in the general election in April, the same phenomenon occurred. Nevertheless, we lost in the general election, didn't we?
However, 30% of Representatives Han Dong-hoon emphasized change and reform and still maintained his own popularity. The remaining 30% should be protected by Busan citizens from impeachment or special prosecution offensive, as in the April general election.

Considering that it was a political vote in which Yoon Suk Yeol's presidential support for protecting the Nakdonggang River front was at work, the other third of the candidates themselves were very competitive, and the people's power candidates were very good. As a former member of the Busan Metropolitan Council, he has a very solid local base. The single candidate in the opposition is a lawyer, but the regional base was relatively weak. That's why the three effects worked in combination, and it's too much to exaggerate and talk about Han Dong-hoon's personal talent effect in that way.

[Anchor]
They analyzed that the three beats were right. However, it seems clear that the election was held under difficult conditions. Let's take a look at the Gallup approval rating that came out today. Yoon Suk Yeol Presidential Performance Evaluation Gallup Poll Results It is down slightly by 1 percentage point from a week ago. 22% are positive and 69% are negative. If I briefly introduce the reason for denial, the economy was the most common. Next is Kim Gun-hee's controversy. It seems that the controversy over Kim Gun-hee is now a bad factor in her approval rating, and the fact that representative Han Dong-hoon intensively emphasized that part in this election was valid in a way, can we see it like this?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
There's definitely a flow of public sentiment. Of course, they're talking about something else.Ma came down to 20% in the second week of September. Gallup investigation, it came out earlier.E. It's 1 percentage point from last week, so even if it doesn't mean much in itself, it's not out of the low 20% range. This is the way the regime works, I'm talking about it many times.It's been said a lot since the general election defeat.E. Many things have been raised within the ruling camp, including the way the administration works and the way state affairs are run, and I will tell you what is considered the most important thing among them.Ma is definitely Kim Gun-hee's risk.

I can't deny that. There are a lot of things like that. In addition, there was no indictment against Deutsche Motors' alleged manipulation of its stock price.Ma, yesterday. I think we need to see if that's a result that the people will understand. That may not have been reflected in the Gallup survey. Even if some can be reflected. I think we'll have to wait and see. Anyway, overall, there are too many risks for Mrs. Kim Gun-hee. Of course, Chin-yoon will have something to say.

Even if the prosecution's investigation results and Myung Tae-kyun's relationship have something to say, the question is how public sentiment perceives this part. That's what's being reflected. However, the response from the presidential office and the pro-Yoon side still seems to be quite different from the public's eye level. I think that part keeps appearing like that.

[Anchor]
So, the next day, right after the by-elections came out, CEO Han Dong-hoon presented three demands for Yongsan. If I show you the content again, it's like this. The so-called replacement of the so-called Kim Gun-hee line, the suspension of women's activities, and cooperation to resolve suspicions were proposed. A few days later, CEO Han Dong-hoon will take out these three because the date for the solo meeting has not been announced yet. To what extent do you think the President's Office will respond?

[Kim Jin]
Han Dong-hoon is acting as if the opposition leader who won the general election is demanding and attacking the president. In conclusion, I think this will be a headwind within the ruling camp, and the president's office has already expressed its opinion on three things.

I made it all anonymous. There is no such thing as the Kim Gun-hee line. There are only Yoon Suk Yeol lines. The suspension of external activities is not considered at all. I don't know what it means to cooperate in the process of getting to the bottom of the suspicions. Since I expressed my position on these three things, if I assume that President Yoon Suk Yeol's style, for example, replace Kim Gun-hee's line. President Yoon has never responded to a request to replace people or aides when an issue arises.

It's not my style to break through the phase with personnel reshuffles. Minister Lee Sang-min has been holding on until now. So the president will not budge on the issue of Kim Gun-hee's reform of the first lady line. Since the suspension of external activities is ambiguous, I think it will go to a reduction in external activities.

The extent to which the first lady has to attend the president's overseas trips or ceremonies inevitable in Korea continues. Instead, the Mapo Bridge inspection that was controversial last time. Those things probably won't be there in the future when I judge them. So, external activities are reduced, and the process of finding the truth about suspicions is unlikely to be responded to by President Yoon.

However, one possible way is to apologize to the public soon because it is clearly wrong when it comes to the luxury bag case. Instead, the Deutsche Motors stock manipulation case is not subject to an apology because the prosecution found it not guilty. Maybe that part. Alternatively, I am sorry for causing concern to the people in a comprehensive way regarding Myung Tae-kyun. It ends at this level, but in conclusion, it's not completely sutured, it's not completely broken, and I think it's going to be like that at about the middle line.

[Anchor]
Anyway, Rep. Kwon Sung-dong, who is pro-Yoon-gye, expressed this position. I used this expression that this by-elections are actually the main battle. I don't think it's a good idea to win the match, but is it an interpretation of winning the election anyway? It's nothing short of a bonanza. He asked if it was appropriate to open the door to the president's office as if he had won with representative Han Dong-hoon's leadership alone. No matter how healthy food or medicine is, it is the same as refusing if you toss it without carefully sweetening it. If you're going to make such a request, you should've met and done it. Why are you throwing it openly? This is what I'm saying.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think I'm in a situation to talk about that. Originally, that's the right story. Whether it's a private meeting or a meeting, it's right to meet and talk, but I don't think this is a problem because we're talking behind closed doors. Kim Jin explained it in detail, but I agree to a large extent.

I think the president's office will react that much. But I don't think that's how it should be done. You can never break through this crisis if you come out like that. I think the president's office will seal it at that level. As Rep. Kwon Sung-dong said, Han Dong-hoon seems to think that the problem is not whether it is private or public or conservative division. Since public sentiment is so bad, I think that this part must be preemptively done with a head-on breakthrough like this, and I agree.

Rep. Kwon Sung-dong's story is that as a pro-Yoon group, it's divided, and it's a kind of power struggle inside because it's divided now anyway. So I don't think I can go with him. What happens later is that even if you evaluate it later. If those at the core of power have that kind of perception, I think the crisis in the ruling camp can be even greater.

[Anchor]
When will we meet? Today is Friday early next week, so I thought the date would come out yesterday, but the date hasn't come out yet. Regarding the timing and format of the solo meeting, it is reported that chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok is also being discussed. Is it better for the two of you or the three of you to meet?

[Kim Jin]
There are also reports that it will be around the 21st of next Monday. If I give advice to the president, first of all, representative Han Dong-hoon and the two of them should meet. You two have to meet and take a much longer time than expected.

[Anchor]
Dinner is better to meet for a long time.

[Kim Jin]
Dinner and tea after dinner, much longer than expected. If it's a dinner, it's okay to end at dawn. First of all, you have to drag it out for a long time. So let's talk to each other alone. What the hell are you thinking? You should explain, refute, agree on opinions, and take a long time in this process by telling them to talk about everything. Then, after being roughly tied up, you should call in Han Dong-hoon's chief of staff, including chief of staff Jeong Jin-seok, so that the roughly tied up can be revealed.

If Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok joins from the beginning and makes a three-way meeting, there is a high possibility that he will go with a formal one. So this is a very important political event, and it's a political event where the power of the ruling party and the people will break through, and we need to make the most of it technically as dramatically as possible.

[Anchor]
It's good to show them talking even if they stay up all night.

[Kim Jin]
First of all, the two of you. And then at the end, I think that's a good way.

[Anchor]
I think it will be the biggest turning point in the conflict between the government and the government. Former lawmaker Cho Eung-cheon even used the expression, "This meeting is the last opportunity." Let's listen to it.

[Anchor]
Sen's story came out. It's about the demand for a special prosecutor to leave the party. Regarding the poll from Gallup today, please show us the results of a poll related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee. First of all, 67 percent of the public activities of Kim Gun-hee should be reduced. It's currently moderate to about 20%. 63% of the respondents said they should introduce a special prosecutor and investigation into allegations related to Kim Gun-hee, and 26% said they did not need it. Former lawmaker Cho Eung-cheon insists that if he has come so far, he should say that he will at least receive a fair independent counsel investigation.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I agree with you to a certain extent. Didn't the public see this issue related to First Lady Kim Gun-hee? As polls show, it's actually more serious than the ruling camp thinks. All of the activities of First Lady Kim Gun-hee will continue as it is. And it doesn't organize so-called secret lines. And if you don't cooperate with resolving suspicions, and if you take an ambiguous position, the public will know it now. This controversy has been around for a long time. Look, he's been out for more than a month.

However, the presidential office's response to the issue is still not resolved at all. But if I keep going like this, what I keep insisting is that the crisis of the passport is continuing toward the boiling point, but I can prevent this. Your approval rating could go up. I'm saying that this kind of stance doesn't work.

At the very least, Mrs. Kim Gun-hee's activities will be reduced. We will reduce it, but reducing the activities of Mrs. Kim Gun-hee is the most necessary condition. That's not a sufficient condition. I don't know if I'm going to have a private meeting or not.Whether it will be an interview or a private meeting. We will conduct an independent counsel regarding First Lady Kim Gun-hee. But let's change what the opposition is saying. You have to come out like that. Then the public opinion can change. However, I think this conflict is difficult to resolve if there are many things around you.

[Anchor]
Former lawmaker Kim Jin has also continued to express his position that an apology is needed. Now there are opinions that you shouldn't have apples. Now that there are talks about the special prosecution, there are talks that CEO Han Dong-hoon should be given a clear exit if he meets this time. What could there be?

[Kim Jin]
The exit can't be an independent counsel. The special prosecutor said, "Many people are also busy with their livelihoods, so we can't know the details. The special prosecution law proposed by the opposition party now aims to completely break through the Yoon Suk Yeol regime and prevent it from properly running state affairs. Thirteen charges. Think about it. If the special prosecution is conducted, the second half of Yoon Suk Yeol's presidency will be covered with that.

Media reports, whether or not to summon them again. What's important is that all other charges that arise during the special prosecutor's investigation process can be investigated. That's why the special prosecutor is not only on the way to the lame duck regime in Yoon Suk Yeol and the conservatives are in very danger, but also in very political danger to representative Han Dong-hoon himself. Representative Lee Hoi-chang and candidate Lee Hoi-chang openly attacked President Kim Young-sam, demanded his resignation, and burned him at a rally, causing the government to collapse and President Kim Young-sam dropped representative Lee Hoi-chang.

The Park Geun Hye administration was impeached by Yoo Seung Min's floor leader, who publicly accused the National Assembly of "welfare without tax increases is fiction," and Kim Moo-sung joined the party. So, Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee said, "CEO Han Dong-hoon will not be able to talk about it even at a private meeting. That is not a card that President Yoon will accept.

[Anchor]
If the political circle does not take advantage of this opportunity, it is impossible to predict where the party-government conflict will go. Let's see when and what we'll talk about. Now, the Democratic Party of Korea is also raising the level of its offensive against First Lady Kim Gun-hee. Please show us the next topic. Regarding the decision not to indict Kim Gun-hee, representative Lee Jae-myung expressed that it is the date of the death of the rule of law. The intensity of the Democratic Party's remarks is also increasing. Let's hear from CEO Lee Jae-myung.

[Anchor]
In a way, the Democratic Party of Korea seems to be trying to use this non-prosecution as leverage for the special prosecution. How did you hear it?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
CEO Han Dong-hoon said that we should present something that the people can understand. How I interpreted the story was that I interpreted it as saying to prosecute it, and personally. If Deutsche Motors does not prosecute the alleged manipulation of its stock price, the opposition party will continue to pursue the special prosecution. You already proposed it. The ruling party interpreted that there was no justification to stop the special prosecutor. However, Chin-yoon protested, asking if he was going to hold a public opinion trial on that, and CEO Han Dong-hoon talked in principle.

First of all, I didn't indict him on this matter. There are many things from a legal perspective depending on how you look at it. There is also a logic that refutes the reason for the prosecution's non-prosecution, and on the contrary, why did you not prosecute? Both sides make sense.

It makes sense.Ma saw that there was controversy over the preferential business trip investigation from the public's point of view, and the investigation team was replaced from time to time. In the end, the investigation review committee was not opened while public opinion was not good. And then I cleared him of any charges. It's important how the people see it.

Both sides can be considered legally reasonable, but if so, I think there is a point there that there is no justification to stop the special prosecutor. Then the opposition party is very talkative. I said Kim Gunhee's dog. The Democratic Party is going as if it was waiting. The Democratic Party is going to drive it anyway. I'm driving

Ma could rather be prosecuted, beat the special prosecutor's notice, and then prosecuted and then acquitted at trial. This is given a political character. This case is a mixture of politics and the rule of law. It's a matter of how the people see it after all. It's going to be public opinion about what the people will think. The opposition party is continuing to raise the level and proposed a special prosecution law. So, I don't know if it's going to be a private meeting or not.Ma's response from the president's office should be more forward-looking and something should come out. Otherwise, it won't continue to be easy.

[Anchor]
He said that it is a case of a mixture of politics and the rule of law, and Kim Min-seok, the supreme council member, was like that, but the Democratic Party is preparing for the impeachment of the prosecutor general. How do you see it?

[Kim Jin]
Recently, the easiest thing in Korean society, including intellectuals, is to attack and curse President Yoon Suk Yeol and Kim Gun-hee. I think the atmosphere of Korean society is quite cowardly. It's the same as asking for a people's trial during the Cultural Revolution. As more than 60 percent of the public approve of the special prosecution, Kim Gun-hee must indict Deutsche Motors unconditionally, whether guilty or not. Where is this barbaric logic?

Korean society shouldn't go like this. What do you mean Kim Gun-hee's dog? Then, was Lee Sung-yoon, the chief of the Central District Prosecutors' Office who investigated the case of Kim Gun-hee for two years during the Moon Jae In regime, Kim Gun-hee's dog then? I didn't indict him then either. You shouldn't use the word "dog" in the mouth of a person who becomes the second-in-command of the main opposition party, not a fringe figure in politics. As I said last time, he's going out too much because of the Chung Mong-joon complex.

Again, no matter how much people hate and hate the people, they should not prosecute innocent people. Regarding the prosecution's announcement of the investigation results, you should argue that it is wrong one by one, rationally. the two main culprits of stock price manipulation The prosecution released a transcript of the phone call between the first and second main offenders. Mrs. Kim Gun-hee does not know the contents. The reason for the decisive non-prosecution was that the two main offenders called

saying they did not know how to manipulate it. However, since it is the Jeonju of 1 out of 90 people, the people don't like Kim Gun-hee, so you're going to prosecute her and make her appear before the court. If we go this way, I think that Korean society should not go this way, regardless of the ruling and opposition parties.

[Anchor]
Please give me a brief counterargument.

[Choi Chang Ryul]
I don't think this is a matter to be considered as a precautionary move, and as I said earlier, there is clearly a basis for the prosecution's non-prosecution, One of Dem. That means I couldn't tell. That's what dogs don't know. However, there is also a lot of evidence based on the logic that this should be prosecuted.

So this has to be judged legally. The prosecution decided not to prosecute. Nevertheless, the public hardly knows about it, so we are going to a public opinion trial, which is hard to agree with. Another thing I want to point out is that Supreme Council member Kim Min-seok should not go like that. Even so, with dignity, what is Kim Gun-hee's dog? You can't say that. I'm driving it like I've been waiting for it completely. The opposition must not do that. I don't even deserve that, in a way.

[Anchor]
The Democratic Party of Korea is raising its offensive against First Lady Kim Gun-hee. One of the Democratic Party's concerns is Chairman Lee Jae-myung's judicial risk. The results of Lee Jae-myung's important first trial will come out next month. There was also an appeals trial yesterday for former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young on suspicion of remittance to North Korea. Former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young continues to claim that the prosecution has cajoled the statement. Former Chairman Kim Sung-tae's rebuttal came out on this part. Let's hear what you're talking about.

[Anchor]
Former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young's claim that the prosecution manipulated the case by conciliating the statement, but as former Chairman Kim Sung-tae heard, he refuted the claim by saying, "Why did you change your statement that you gave me jajangmyeon instead of an elementary school student?"

[Kim Jin]
From the atmosphere and logic, Chairman Kim Sung-tae is right. Former Lieutenant Governor Lee Hwa-young is in a very psychologically unstable state as he was sentenced to a shocking first trial of 9 years and 6 months. Chairman Kim Sung-tae is right, saying that if he continues to tell testimony or circumstances in favor of Lee Jae-myung, if Lee Jae-myung takes power, he thinks that the only chance to get amnesty is his way out. Given various evidences, evidence, various testimonies, and transcripts, I think that issue is very clear and clear.

[Anchor]
One of the other remarks that was noted in the media yesterday was that former chairman Kim Sung-tae said this. Former lieutenant governor Lee Hwa-young described Lee Jae-myung's expression to me as a pear-like person. How can I interpret the meaning of that?

[Choi Chang Ryul]
Former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young has another appeal left. He was sentenced to such a heavy sentence in the first trial. It will be disadvantageous to CEO Lee Jae-myung. But at first, former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young told Lee Jae-myung that he reported the results of his visit to North Korea, but later changed his statement. When I said why I changed it, it was either cajoling or threatening.

People keep talking about that. There are several. In that context, the fact that CEO Lee Jae-myung is like a snake seems to mean that CEO Lee Jae-myung is exerting a lot of pressure to sculpt his various risks, so to speak, to lower them, former chairman Kim Sung-tae. But that part is also very intertwined in the trial.

Nevertheless, there are already many facts about various visits to North Korea, so I think former Deputy Governor Lee Hwa-young will be quite heavy in the second trial. But anyway, to CEO Lee Jae-myung, I haven't even tried yet. The two first trials in November are not related to this at all, so I think it is likely to be disadvantageous anyway.

[Anchor]
In any case, from Lee Jae-myung's point of view, important first trial rulings will be made in November, and former Vice Governor Lee Hwa-young's appeals will be made soon, so let's see what this will be like for judicial risk. So far, Kim Jin, former editor of the JoongAng Ilbo, and Choi Chang-ryul, a special professor at Yongin University. Thank you.