Kim Jong-hyuk, "Han Deok-soo on a thorny path, looks like he wants to be impeached."You look desperate to avoid responsibility."

- Han Deok-soo Pending Appointment of Judge? 'Coward attitude'

- Han Deok-soo should resign if he can't even make a decision to appoint a judge

- 野, independent counsel Kim Gun-hee needs 'choice and concentration'

- 200 seats for impeachment quorum, eventually the Constitutional Court should decide

◆ [YTN Radio SHINYUL's news]
■ Broadcasting: FM 94.5 (17:00-19:00)
■ Air date: December 26, 2024 (Thursday)
■ Proceedings: Shin Yul, Professor of Political Science and Diplomacy at Myongji University
■ Dialogue: Kim Jong-hyuk, former member of the Supreme Council

- 'Pro-Yoon' Kwon Young-se took the lead in making President Yoon
- 尹 raises 'suspected election fraud'... Building a 'Ceremony justification'
-People's Power 'Ceremony Advocacy' forces, the height of hypocrisy

* The text below may differ from the actual broadcast content, so please check the broadcast for more accurate information.

◇Shin Yul: YTN Radio's Shin Yul's News Head-to-head Match Today's Part 1 will open with the dignity of politics, as I just said. Kim Jong-hyuk, former supreme council member of the People's Power, is in the studio right now. Please come in.

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: Hello.

◇ Shin Yul: I don't think I need dignity right now. It's not the time for us to want dignity, but I hope that the word "state" is included in their actions. I think this is the least wish, but I can't.

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: I know. Before that came in, I talked to the PDs a little bit, and what they're saying is, "Oh, what's going on in Korea?" They said this. But I laughed something while listening to it, but it hurt my heart. Because politicians have to worry about the people. Does it make sense for the people to say that they are worried about politics and that the country is going to collapse? To be honest, all politicians in this day and age, including me, should be guilty of plaster. It doesn't have to be different between the ruling and opposition parties. The ruling and opposition parties will have nothing to do with it, but first of all, the most serious people will be the biggest problem, but I think we should really take responsibility for this.

◇ Shin Yul: Did you see acting Han Deok-soo's public statement? It's very scary to talk to the public these days. What do you think?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: There are two things. So the conclusion now is that I will not appoint the Constitutional Judge anyway, but I think it's a very inappropriate attitude. I think it's a wrong attitude and a cowardly attitude. There is no one who doesn't know that the legitimacy and legitimacy will be further secured only when all nine constitutional judges are appointed in this serious situation of impeaching the president regardless of ruling and opposition parties. But I don't know the reason why I won't appoint it. If you think about it, you told me to bring the ruling-opposition agreement now. No, then you vetoed six policy bills before that. Did the ruling and opposition parties agree on that? The opposition party just posted it. So you vetoed it because it didn't make sense. Then, on the same issue as the Constitutional Judge this time, isn't this a matter of the people, not of the ruling and opposition parties? Isn't it a matter of history? Avoid this and bring your own by agreement between the ruling and opposition parties. I know what kind of civil servant you used to be, but is it okay to say something like Hwang Hee-jeong-seung? I think it's a very irresponsible attitude, but I think there are two reasons. One is that people in the general world are saying, "What kind of thoughts do you really want to run in the presidential election?" and "I blocked the president." But I don't think that's very likely.

◇ Shin Yul: I don't think it's going to be a little high.

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: Second, I think he wants to be impeached.

◇ Shin Yul: Why?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: Do you want to do this yourself? What's left here? In the future, the president will continue to investigate what kind of rebellion is, and the impeachment trial will probably have no choice but to remain as an acting president. On top of that, the opposition party is pressuring like that with almost 190 seats, and then the ruling party is actually dominated by people like pro-Yoon, but the ruling party is also broken now. Isn't it divided into half and criticized by the people? Then, what can the prime minister do in such a situation? Since the acting president is so troublesome, I would rather not be responsible if I was impeached and left. I don't have anything to decide on anymore troublesome, and I think it's because I think I can avoid responsibility by saying that I was impeached while keeping my conscience.

◇ Shin Yul: What do you think will happen to the independent counsel law? Insurrection Special Prosecutor Act and Special Prosecutor Kim Gun-hee Act

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: I think the opposition is rushing the two bills too much. As you can see, the investigation is going on properly. Aren't things you don't know just being checked? In fact, the two special prosecution laws are not important in the face of the president's impeachment. What the opposition party claimed at the time was to attack the president through Kim Gun-hee's special prosecution law, but since the president himself has already been impeached, in a way, it is a secondary problem. You can't risk your life there. Next, they are talking about the independent counsel law for rebellion, but if you look at these two independent counsel bills, there are many toxins. One is for 14 and one is for 15 investigations. What kind of special prosecutor are you going to do all year? That doesn't make sense. Then, aren't you saying that you're going to compress only the emergency martial law-related matters into a special prosecutor, and then Deutsche Motors and the Myung Tae-kyun case related to the nomination, and reduce the agenda and appoint all the special prosecutors themselves? Originally, he said he would appoint the court administration as a third-party independent counsel law, followed by the Korean Bar Association, the Professors' Association, and the Law Professors' Association, but he said he would appoint two people after being recommended. They, another opposition party, and Kim Gun-hee's independent counsel law have no minimum security, right? So, I think the opposition party is pushing too much for this. So, let's focus only on the constitutional judges and then the ruling and opposition parties agree on these two special investigations together. And let's go with the third-party special investigation law as you want. If we do this, I don't think the political situation will go this far, but the opposition party is too hasty now. They're in such a hurry that they're going to impeach all five people as if they're in all power. This is ridiculous to say that the members of the State Council are going to impeach all five people. So now, these two silly political camps are showing a pattern that seems to be colliding with each other, so the people are afraid and worried while watching this.

◇ Shin Yul: In the end, it seems that both sides are only looking inward.

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's right.

◇ Shin Yul: There are more people outside, not inside, that's right. I think it's because these people only look inside, not inside, but it's very hard for me to ask if acting President Han Deok-soo will be impeached or not. There are 151 seats. What do you think will happen to 200 people?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: This is the Constitutional Court justice. Four more people from our party participated in the vote today. You know, right? Lawmaker Ahn Cheol Soo didn't go in, but lawmaker Cho Kyung-tae, Kim Ye-ji, Kim Sang-wook, and Han Ji-ah. The four of you went in, and they must have gone in because of the obligation to think that this should be voted on anyway. But we're going to vote on this tomorrow. For example, wouldn't the Democratic Party easily exceed 151 seats? Since there are over 151 seats, we can claim that it is impeached, and then from the people's power, they say that it's not possible to have 200 seats. Well, 200 seats should be vetoed and come back, but if who decides this, the Constitutional Court has to decide again.

◇ Shin-ryul: But now there's a saying that the chairman of the National Assembly can decide that, and then another problem arises.

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: It will be controversial. The speaker of the National Assembly, Woo Won-sik, was a member of the Democratic Party anyway, so if he decides, there will be another legal controversy. So in the end, we have to ask the Constitutional Court again if it's 151 seats or 200 seats, and we have no choice but to ask for an answer. But isn't the Supreme Court or the Constitutional Court now heading toward 151 seats? But of course, in the past, if you look at the commentary of the Constitutional Court there in 2015, it seems that there are talks about 200 seats, and then what our legislative investigation office did goes back and forth. So because this is a really unanswered question, in the end, the Constitutional Court has no choice but to put all of these together and answer them in detail when a specific question comes in. Then it will take a little longer. So I think the situation will continue to be very confusing.

◇ Credit: This is very confusing because it has a very negative impact on the economy. As I always say, impeachment can have various political meanings in Korea, but isn't it a matter directly related to national credibility in foreign countries? So, if that happens, and even acting Ahn Deok-soo becomes like that, what do you think of rookies?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: Right away, we were like 1450 or something during the IMF. The exchange rate could collapse to the 1,500-point level if it goes wrong, so I expected Prime Minister Han Deok-soo to make a decision to prevent such a situation, but you didn't. No, the country says it's a crisis of the country, but you have to make a knot in front of the crisis of the country to cut off the hook, but you're not doing it. Then, if you ask the ruling and opposition parties to come to an agreement now, is there no way that the ruling and opposition parties will come to an agreement? Isn't it obvious that it won't work? Aren't you there to make a decision on that? Why can't you make up your mind? I want you to resign. If you don't even make up your mind, what kind of acting authority are you going to do to make the country so difficult and confusing?

◇ Shin-ryul: Assuming that it is impeached, Deputy Prime Minister Choi Sang-mok will now play three roles per person. In addition to the acting president and the acting prime minister and the deputy prime minister for economy, this has never happened, but in fact, I'm worried that if this happens, it will be difficult for this to work properly.

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's right. So the economy and the country are making people laugh right away. No, it's like some kind of underdeveloped country where coups and civil wars are repeated, and some kind of South American country where each person claims to be president. The National Assembly has created a society where the least amount of shame and least amount of conscience and morality have collapsed, according to the National Assembly and the administration. In my view, we should remember the names of all the politicians in this day and age. So I think we should remember these people's names as those who destroyed our history around the world. Does it make sense to go back now?

◇ Shin Yul: I don't think there are many cases like this in the world that are unprecedented in history.

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: This hasn't happened since liberation.

◇ Shin Yul: Kwon Young-se, a member of the People's Power, became the emergency committee chairman, how do you evaluate this?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: I know that Kwon Young-se is decent, a gentleman, and capable. However, it is different from such personal things and the mission and calling given by this era. Isn't lawmaker Kwon Young-se the core of pro-yoon? You're the one who took the lead in making President Yoon. But if something went wrong, at least there's no sign of trying to fix it, right? It's very important where you were when the emergency martial law was issued last time. You should have gone to the National Assembly at that time when the constitutional order collapsed and the president shook the country with an unreasonable emergency martial law that was so ridiculous. Of course, if you were watching our television and just watched how things were going, they were not qualified as political leaders at all. Shouldn't the commander decide how to stop the enemies from attacking us in a moment of crisis and shooting at us in a moment of war? Can the commander go into the bunker and watch TV? But this doesn't make sense. But in my view, ordinary lawmakers think that floor leader Choo Kyung-ho said, "No, come to the main assembly hall. Come to the headquarters now. There was confusion, so I think they might have gone to the headquarters." However, at least a few more than three terms, four terms, and five terms, such senior members who have been in the parliament for decades, did not go to the National Assembly while sitting at the headquarters watching Television? Didn't they not know what emergency martial law meant? Didn't they see that in 1979? You saw it all. But I think those people who were sitting there watching television come back later and take control of the party, and this is a crime against history. Obviously, I think in the next five years, 10 years, there's going to be a documentary on the history of this, and a movie is going to be made. All of their names will come out again then. I think it will be mentioned about them.

◇ Shin Yul: I thought a movie would be made, too. There's one more thing. A few reporters called me to ask me to say something. Did you see this? Dailyan commissioned the Korea Poll Fair Trade Commission to investigate 1,001 men and women aged 18 or older nationwide. This is a poll released today of 1,013 men and women over the age of 18 nationwide. It's an ARS-style poll. For more information, you can refer to the website of the National Election Poll Review Committee, where President Yoon went up. 17. It's up by 30.4% from 5. It's up by 12.9 percentage points. What do you think?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: First of all, I don't really trust the ARS investigation that much.

◇ Shin-ryul: That's because the rigid supporters mainly answer.

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: That's right. For example, if you have a phone interview like Gallup, who is it? I say, "What should I do?" but I just turn it off when the machine sounds. No one is answering. However, people who intentionally respond to mechanical sounds usually respond with some political intentions. Usually people don't respond like that. As a result, the response rate of ARS is generally 3% this time as well. So three out of 100 people respond. So if they did 1,000 people, would it be 30,000 or 300,000? He said he wouldn't respond to all of them, and only that specific people responded. So, in the case of the ARS survey, there are things like that the reliability is very low, and the thing that Myung Tae-kyun used a lot was the ARS survey after all. Because there's all the information about the population of a particular group of respondents, we know where to throw it and we'll get an answer. Isn't that why you were able to create that figure? It's clear that there's one thing about certain inaccuracies in those ARS investigations, and then another is that there's a backlash against the Democratic Party's unilateral push. And it's also clear that there's some kind of clumping phenomenon that conservatives are going to destroy us all. As a result, I went up a lot from places like Daegu. The reason why this number has risen like this is that the rise in any support in Daegu and Busan and Yeongnam areas has driven a lot. But I don't think this means much to me. This is what needs to be continuous, but for me, the results of the investigation will continue to come out, but the results that will surprise us will continue to come out.

◇ Shin Yul: It comes out every day.

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: Now we can't say that the results of the investigation are all true. It's because in the NLL, things like plotting to engage with North Korea, trying to kill them, or trying to drag people to Baengnyeong Island, were in the head of a former intelligence commander named Roh Sang-won, and although it's written in the notebook, it must have been practically implemented. I don't really know about things that were meant to be done. So far, but if those things just pop up, people will be shocked and this progresses, so in the end, I think that the support will inevitably decline. I want to deny it, but if various facts keep coming out, isn't there a situation where you can't protect them no matter how much you want to protect them? I think we'll go in that situation.

◇Credibility: The ARS survey is definitely a lot of hardcore supporters responding, right? But I saw it for a while earlier, and there were reports that the president would send another message to the people. It's Channel A report.

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: Today, former Defense Minister Kim Yong-hyun is saying the same thing as the president said last time through his lawyer. Logically, it doesn't make any sense at all. Let's keep talking about election fraud there. But you can't provide a single piece of evidence of election fraud, can you? No, and the election was held under the high-ranking position of the NEC with the secretary-general they appointed, but they didn't say a word about it. And if you look at what's revealed now, martial law wasn't created all of a sudden, but there was such a discussion in March and in December last year, right? Then, what's the meaning of the fraudulent election in December last year even before the election? At that time, he was elected president, and then we won a landslide victory in the local elections and won a landslide victory over our party. Why do you want to do martial law then? At that time, there was a certain issue of discussion about First Lady Kim Gun-hee, and it was a little difficult for us because the opposition party went on the offensive. But that doesn't make sense to me if I thought about doing martial law at the time or thinking about doing martial law again in March this year. There is no basis for any election fraud or anything.

◇ Shin Yul: So if you look at it now, you're expecting that SNS messages are trying to talk about election fraud again, right?

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: Because it's conservative now, so we don't understand what those conservative tendencies resent the most. It's about how a party led by a criminal suspect like Lee Jae-myung can win such a landslide victory. So they don't believe you? Think of this as election fraud. That's why far-right YouTubers continue to emphasize and instigate it without evidence, so it's the best-selling pie that works. So, in order to emphasize that again and get out of it, there is no justification for why you did this ridiculous martial law. I'm continuing to instigate propaganda to create that justification, and now I've come out as the defense minister, and I don't know if the president will come out again, but he may come out.

◇Shin Yul: Looking at it these days, Daegu Mayor Lee Hong Joon Pyo seems to be starting to move in earnest, and Mayor Oh Se-hoon seems to be a bit like that, and CEO Yoo Seung Min seems to be like that, but wouldn't former CEO Han Dong-hoon move? What do you think?

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: I can't tell you that right now. So, I've made such a metaphor several times, but a politician is a sculpture ship floating in the sea of public sentiment, so public sentiment can turn the ship over or push it over at any time. In my opinion, CEO Han Dong-hoon was the first to speak out against the emergency martial law, and through that, in fact, he has largely blocked the possibility that this martial law could lead to bloodshed.

◇ Shin-ryul: Because of the symbolism of representative Han's existence, it was true that the word "opposition party" and the logic that "opposition party and opposition party together invalidated martial law" played the most important role in the National Assembly.

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: That's right. And since the president declared an emergency martial law on television and said, "I will block it with representative Han Dong-hoon." To put it simply, the martial law soldiers, the martial law commanders who were mobilized for the operation, and the people involved in the martial law are all looking at social media these days. Then, the soldiers who are deployed are also a little strange, but what is this? The opposition leader and the ruling party leader are also opposing it. I think they would have hesitated a lot in suppressing or blocking it. So if it didn't pass that martial law lifting that evening, or if it did, and the president pushed it through, there would have been bloodshed the next morning. I'm sure the Korean people can't stay still. There was a lot of crowd that day, and it was an unusual atmosphere, so something big must have happened, but there is a big contribution to preventing it. But the ball became meaningless. Now, as the pro-yoon people are in power and taking control of the party again, as if it's a big sin to prevent it, and they're against the odds. Not a single person says it went well with emergency martial law. I don't know what you'd think inside, but if you say that, you'll be almost treated like a crazy person, so you'll be attacked. However, I am desperately opposed to the fact that the president should be responsible for such absurd emergency martial law and that he should be responsible for it, whether it is impeached or removed from office. What kind of interest rate is this? No, emergency martial law is okay, but if the president is an act of governance, can Representative Lee Jae-myung become president and be emergency martial law from time to time? Is that an act of governance? I don't know what you're talking about. How does that become an act of governance? Is it the act of governing to properly exercise the power delegated by the people, or to mobilize the military as if he were king? Where in the world is there such an act of governance? You're making such nonsense. And it's hypocrisy. I think that the People's Power Members are at the height of hypocrisy. I don't know what happens to the country, as if you openly said that you did a good job of emergency rule, or you were sitting there watching TV. Or do you want to just watch TV or come out and fight? It's not like this. After everything is over, people who say that emergency rule is an act of governance, or someone like Jo Gap-je, who is like a symbol of conservatism of the Jo Gap-je conservative, are jumping out and saying, "Does this really make sense?" Jung Kyu-jae, and these really conservative journalists, like this, are the ones who risked their lives to impeach former President Park Geun Hye. He came out For me, comedy...

◇ Shin Yul: So CEO Han Dong-hoon said, "What's going to come out? You can always appear again if there's a situation?"

◆Kim Jong-hyuk: It will now depend on the public sentiment. So I think public sentiment will eventually return to normal.

◇ Shin-ryul: When the Constitutional Court cites President Yoon's impeachment, for example, there may be a chance to think about it again, right?

◆ Kim Jong-hyuk: Even before the quotation, it will be different if it is confirmed that this has become the truth in the process and that the emergency martial law has progressed this way. That's what I think.

◇ Shin Yul: I see. That's all for today's talk. Until now, Kim Jong-hyuk, former member of the Supreme Council of the People's Power.