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Jeong Jinseok's appeal to the public... Yoon said, "It's not a discussion."

2025.01.14 PM 12:16
■ Host: Kim Sun-young Anchor
■ Starring: Jang Ye-chan, current affairs critic, Kim Sang-il, current affairs critic

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[Anchor]
A political commentary with a living angle, starting at the stroke of the hour. Today, we have two current affairs critics, Jang Ye-chan and Kim Sang-il. This morning, Presidential Chief of Staff Chung Jin-suk issued a public appeal. Let's check the graphic first. I have issued a public appeal. As early as tomorrow, the Senior Secretary Chung Jin-seok's appeal was issued at a time when the execution of President Yoon's arrest warrant was imminent. It contains the contents of the state agency's head-on collision and the country is on the verge of being divided, and I appeal with a desperate heart to prevent it no matter what.

The situation of President Yoon is a high-pitched fall day. Is the purpose of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police investigating or disgracing the president? While writing it down like this. The president's office said it was ready for consultation. All options may be reviewed, including investigations, at a third location. I've expressed this position. What message did you want to convey when you issued a public appeal today that the arrest warrant will be executed around tomorrow?

[Jang Yechan]
First, it seems to demand the principle of investigation without detention. Even now, support for President Yoon Suk Yeol and party support for the people's power continue to rise after the impeachment, and excessive conflicts between state agencies can lead to irreversible social tragedies, so Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok seems to have proposed a new plan to cooperate with investigations in a third place or the president's office if the principle of non-restraint investigation is guaranteed. Isn't the impeachment trial of the Constitutional Court currently underway?

The defense has been designated from 2 p.m. today, so it will begin. On the part of Yoon Suk Yeol's president, at least the investigation by the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the National Capital should not affect the impeachment trial. President Yoon also said he would attend the Constitutional Court in person, but I don't know when he will attend.Ma is difficult to exercise such defense rights because attending the Constitutional Court can be an excuse for emergency arrest during the execution of the arrest warrant. So, it seems to be the content of an appeal to clarify the principle of the investigation without detention at least until the impeachment trial is completed.

It seems that today's consultation between the police, the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, and the security service ended without much income. If there is a conflict between the two countries, of course, there will be no use of weapons or firearms, but it is an indelible pain in the history of the Republic of Korea for the two countries to physically engage in scams with each other, so it seems that Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok's plan and final appeal was to find a third compromise, in which the president cooperates with the investigation and investigation, and the Senior Secretary Chung Jin-seok reveals the principle of non-restraint at the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Anchor]
Of course, President Yoon Suk Yeol is saying that he did not consult with us, but it's like an investigation at a third place that Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok talked about.
Can it be a card that can be discussed with the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit even now?

[Kim Sang Il]
To do that, the president needs to show responsibility. You need to explain and apologize to some extent for your uncooperative appearance. And you have to express your will to cooperate with the investigation in the future. And how to coordinate and no matter how much you are the president, there is no special treatment for the president before the law. If you have a plan for how to be investigated with as much humility as you can, you should tell me. If you say that it's wrong to do what you're doing now, you're saying it's a waste of all your previous history. There has been a crisis that has been accumulated like this because of not cooperating with the investigation, but I think it is too much of a responsibility avoidance and irresponsible attitude to say that there is a problem with the current situation, so Chief of Staff Chung Jin-seok also deserves the same criticism.

And to add another thing, it's not the president's personal secretary. It's not that the presidential office
has nothing to do. Then, I think it is right to think about how to prevent confusion in state affairs and normalize state affairs as much as possible with Acting President Choi Sang-mok, and what needs to be resolved as soon as possible for the people, the country and history.

[Anchor]
I used the expression 'Sungnakil'. President Yoon Suk Yeol's situation is unknown because it is in his official residence, but what kind of situation does it mean to use the expression "Gongseong Nak-il"?

[Jang Yechan]
In fact, it seems that President Yoon Suk Yeol has expressed in four-character idioms that he is not an vested interest in exercising power as if he is falling asleep, but rather the position of the weak under intense pressure from investigative agencies. There was also a question of whether it makes sense to send 1,000 police troops like a South American gang wipeout. Of course, you can't judge your status or status in executing a warrant, but there have been cases in politics where Democratic politicians have gathered party members to block arrest warrants, convert them into non-restraint, or convert them into seizure and search and turn them into voluntary submissions.

In the end, investigative agencies and the judiciary have also refrained from exercising public power to prevent public opinion division, not because of politicians, but because there are supporters who support him. I think it can be said that Director Jeong Jin-seok requested such a practice again. Not long ago, there was actually a request for a summons to investigate Kim Jung-sook regarding bribery for former President Moon Jae In's son-in-law, but she refused. So the Jeonju District Prosecutors' Office said it would visit Yangsan. Mrs. Kim Jung-sook rejected that, too. But that didn't mean you asked for an arrest warrant right away from your ex-president's spouse.

Then, the prosecution even issued a visiting investigation card to the former president's spouse, but the current president can conduct the first investigation that is sufficiently necessary even with a visiting investigation or a third investigation. This seems to be a very different compromise from blindly refusing to investigate or investigate. Then, since I believe that politicians should put their heads together to find a third way to compromise rather than clash, isn't Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok also a five-term veteran politician?

The president's lawyer should also review his proposal prospectively, and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit and the police should consider it, but even the Democratic Party of Korea said this. Be prepared to drag the coffin out. If you shoot, get hit. Instead of making such hard-line remarks, I think it is a necessary attitude to think about how to conduct an investigation according to the legal process without conflict.

[Anchor]
For example, there is a possibility that the president may think forward about the survey of the third place, so some speculate that Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok brought it up. What do you think?

[Jang Yechan]
I think there must have been such a connection. Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok does not seem to have communicated with the lawyers of President Yoon Suk Yeol, but it is unlikely that such a public appeal would have been made without personal communication with President Yoon to some extent. What's important is that the president is also burdened with physical conflict. And shouldn't the police and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit feel the same burden? If so, it is almost impossible for one side to give up 100% unilaterally when the two camps are at odds.

And public opinion is very important. If the president's approval rating reaches 4% or 5% in the face of impeachment, as in former President Park Geun Hye at the time, it is difficult for the logic of protesting from the other side to gain strength even if one side pushes. But now that the approval rating of late 40% of ARS and late 30% of telephone interviews are concentrated on the president anyway, will you physically exercise public power by ignoring the public approval rating of 30-40%? It's practically impossible. If the president does not yield 100% and the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit does not yield 100% to each other, I don't think this opinion will be unreasonable or unconditionally on the side of the president to find a way to cooperate with the investigation while maintaining the principle of non-restraint by conceding 5:5.

[Anchor]
This response came from the Democratic Party of Korea this morning over the statement of Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok. Let's listen to it. As you heard, there was strong criticism from the Democratic Party. President Yoon himself is asking if he is acting like a drug gang.

[Kim Sang Il]
Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok's story and lawmaker Cho Seung-rae's story are so emotional. If you do that, it becomes a catalyst that explodes your emotions to ordinary citizens. Then people who have relatively nothing to lose are at a much greater risk of being turned into action right away. Then you wouldn't want that, but I don't know why they're like that. I would like to say first that the more authorized and responsible people are, the more appropriate language moderation is.

However, as far as the position is concerned, I said earlier that it is reasonable to see some of the positions that Representative Cho Seung-rae talked about, but everyone should be equal before the law. Jang Ye-chan, the best, talked about former President Moon Jae In's wife a while ago, but if you continue to do so, you will only build up the cause for forced investigation and cannot escape public criticism. Then just because one side does it doesn't mean that the political camp can do it. Rather, I think it is right for both sides to set examples to the people and history and lead the way for the people to follow first. But I would have said that the story of Chief of Staff Jeong Jin-seok and the story of the best Jang Ye-chan were reasonable if they had said that from the beginning.

But the problem is that because of the accumulated history of other things, the justification for forced investigations has been accumulated and criticism has been accumulated to prevent law enforcement, so I think it will be difficult to copy the words without first lowering the political burden of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit.

[Anchor]
First of all, according to the media's expectations, there is a high possibility that the second execution will become a reality tomorrow, and I think the internal atmosphere of the security office will be very important. Looking at what is known, the bodyguard led by acting head of security Kim Sung-hoon will defend. It will be tougher than it was in the first round. No, the inside is shaking right now, so there will be a nursery rhyme. I think there are mixed prospects.

[Jang Yechan]
We have no choice but to guess through the current media reports. I think there were some security officials who had different opinions. I think the representative person is the 3rd manager of the security team. The three security officers are on standby now, not simply because they have different opinions, but because they have been confirmed to have leaked confidential information related to the security of the official residence. In a way, the so-called defense department's three heads of security exchanged an excuse. Then, in normal time, the opinion of the three security managers, should we be tough on this? Even those who thought they should cooperate with the execution of the warrant will find it difficult to protest against the so-called hard-liners if the head of the three security guards are caught for a clear mistake of leaking confidential information.

So, I don't think the atmosphere of disorganization or departure within the security office will be that big. However, there are rumors through the media that the police will send 1,000 people and that they have asked the National Fire Agency to cooperate. In fact, when you go near Hannam-dong, there are a lot of anti-impeachment people gathered all night, so how these citizens will behave when they come from the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit or the National Police Agency, and the security and preparedness of the official residence have become stronger than in the first round. There are so many variables such as how to break through with what equipment and how 1,000 combat troops will be mobilized to the scene and whether they can really physically collide with about 400 or 500 troops available at the security office. I think it's a hasty and cautious situation to speculate that it won't work.

[Anchor]
It is not clear exactly what is going on in the official residence and how much defense posture is in place, but a media report showed President Yoon taking a walk. Did the president take such a walk thinking that this could be a leak? Or how do you see it?

[Kim Sang Il]
I think it contains a political message. I think it's to convey a message to the supporters that they will continue to confront them confidently.

[Anchor]
That's what I look like. President Yoon Suk Yeol taking a walk in his official residence.

[Kim Sang Il]
If not, there are security equipment and other things to make it a little more invisible. Did you not understand where the camera was being filmed? I think that all the capabilities of the security service can be understood to a certain extent, but I think there is an aspect of using it.}Speaking of the 3rd head of security, I'd like to tell you that. Is it because the 3rd head of security is trying to sell the security of the presidential office or the presidential residence? Or is it to infiltrate with the enemy? No. I think the execution of the warrant is legal, so I think you did your own thing after thinking about it, right?

Of course, he would have tried to take responsibility for the illegality there. And you'll have to take responsibility. However, I think there is a part where we need to consider whether there is a reason for the illegal sculpture equivalent to the current situation. In the end, it is a fair criticism to discuss the purpose of the three security officers' actions together. I want to say this. In the end, I say that what I have to say to those from both camps protesting in front of me is that it is more appropriate to ask them not to do so rather than to talk about the concerns of conflict.

[Anchor]
You just saw me take a walk.Ma also sent a direct message to supporters in front of his residence by President Yoon Suk Yeol. And on social media, we didn't send a message about the L.A. forest fire and reveal the walk like that, but it was captured anyway. There are also many analyses such as whether it is a message to continue to show that you are healthy. What kind of intent do you think it is?

[Jang Yechan]
First of all, it is said that the media company will take legal action against that walking photo. My official residence is a security facility. What I want to say briefly is that his duties are currently suspended due to impeachment, but presidential residences and such are security facilities under the law. The line of keeping to this should be kept, no matter how high the interest in the president's future is. It's not for the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, it's for the system of the Republic of Korea. I really want to ask you that. However, time has passed since the appearance of President Yoon Suk Yeol.It is also a political encouragement that a personal letter is delivered to those who are rallying in Hannam-dong. Isn't it because polls confirm that conservatives are rallying around the president, rather than loyalty to President Yoon, that the number of people who are already on the side of Yoon Suk Yeol is increasing, and many of those who were close to him in the past are also turning their stances against impeachment and the independent counsel?

Of course, the Constitutional Court's impeachment trial should be judged only by the Constitution regardless of public opinion, but since the president is also a politician, whether or not the political power is alive can have a very important impact in the future and perhaps in the post-impeachment politics. So, from the perspective of the president of Yoon Suk Yeol, responding well to the impeachment trial. And the third issue, which is as important as responding to the investigation of the Senior Civil Servant Corruption Investigations Unit, is to continue to serve as a political focal point and keep the conservative camp powered. So I don't know what will happen.The president's message to supporters or conservatives may come out again after the arrest warrant phase calms down a little. And how conservatives respond to President Yoon Suk Yeol's impeachment trial is a living political variable because it is now affecting the preferences and favorability of the next candidates. I think these are the scenes that show that the job is suspended, but politically, it is still alive and moving.

[Anchor]
If the execution is carried out tomorrow, whether the members of the People's Power who kept the residence will also appear in front of the residence, which is also of considerable interest. Lee Ho-young, deputy chief of the National Police Agency, who visited the National Assembly yesterday, said, "Everyone, whether they are lawmakers or civilian defenders, can be punished as current offenders." Let's listen to it. You can arrest any lawmaker or member of the National Assembly if you block them from arresting them. This is a tough position. If this happens, it's a scenario, but I think there could be a big disturbance even before entering the official residence.

[Kim Sang Il]
It is the compliance of the rule of law and the system that the people and the lawmakers should talk about rather than their position. But I think it's an act that I don't deserve to instigate me not to follow the rule of law in that way. Take a look. Let's say it's an illegal investigation. The public authority talks like a soldier or something. Who decides this? Where can we decide that in a modern country? There's no court only. The floor leader Kwon Sung-dong cannot make the final decision on whether it is illegal or not. He's not an iron man himself. You're not playing iron man politics. I'm not saying that I'm right about everything.

And you're not doing royal authority or warlord politics. It's not that I'm the king or the lord. Isn't there only one thing that everyone has to follow? Don't we know from history that we have to follow the court's final decision to resolve the confusion and conflict in society, and if it is broken, it will lead to an infinite competition of power? If there is anything the court does wrong, you can fix the system in the National Assembly where you belong. He is not a judge, an iron man, or a king, but he is wrong, and it is not right to say that it is illegal.

[Anchor]
The difficult part of the meeting between CEO Lee Jae-myung and acting CEO Choi Sang-mok was the execution issue, but CEO Lee Jae-myung said that he should cooperate with acting CEO Choi Sang-mok during the execution of the warrant. I think you'll have a lot of trouble as an acting supervisor. What role is the opposition expecting?

[Jang Yechan]
The Democratic Party wants Acting Chief Minister Choi Sang-mok to take over the command of the bodyguard. So, I would like to ask the acting head of the security service to cooperate with the execution of the police's warrant, but Choi Sang-mok is also called the acting president and the acting president in politics after self-examination. According to media reports, the authoritative interpretation that he does not have the authority to command the security agency has already been internally made. Therefore, in addition to the principled statement that physical conflicts between state agencies should be prevented, it seems unlikely that acting Choi Sang-mok will intervene directly at this time.

However, will the Democratic Party be able to strengthen the pressure on the acting leader Choi Sang-mok or impeach him? This, too, is told by public opinion and approval ratings. Considering the strange decline in the Democratic Party's approval rating, impeachment or excessive pressure on acting leader Choi Sang-mok could be a much greater self-imposed measure for the Democratic Party and its leader Lee Jae-myung, so it is difficult for me to form the current public opinion that practical measures other than such hard-line remarks continue.

If it takes action, Chairman Lee Jae-myung and the Democratic Party of Korea are likely to accept the results of the much more painful poll. Acting Chief Choi Sang-mok may be very difficult and difficult, but he seems to have decided that there is no room for him to do more at this stage. So, I gave the first order to the police or military units to strengthen the security of the official residence, but it was rather rejected. However, the fact is that the police's refusal to comply with the acting president's order is ridiculous and a violation of laws and procedures. Also, acting Choi Sang-mok doesn't even think deeply about it and go in.

Instead, the opposition party does not seem to have much to gain by pressuring the acting leader Choi Sang-mok more at this stage, as it does not say what to do or what to do about the security office, but only suggests that it cannot be a physical conflict or that the ruling and opposition parties should agree on a special prosecution.

[Anchor]
Anyway, the most important thing for Acting President Choi Sang-mok right now is to bring the independent counsel to the ruling and opposition parties. Bring it with agreement between the ruling and opposition parties so that it does not mix up unconstitutional content. We've offered this alternative as a card. Yesterday, the second independent counsel law passed the Judiciary Committee. The key is that the opposition party added foreign exchange charges. The voices of the ruling and opposition parties are now divided over the special prosecution. Let's listen to this, too. The addition of foreign exchange crimes to this has intensified the opposition of the people's power. Some question why the Democratic Party would add this if it was really aimed at passing.

[Kim Sang Il]
It can be said that it was because there were a lot of suspicions. However, even if there were a lot of suspicions, it is right for the ruling party to say, "Let's adjust this," which is why it is not right to say that it is wrong. And although Rep. Kim Yong-min explained, it's not a foreign exchange crime, it's a suspicion about whether there was a foreign exchange activity. And when we prosecute a crime or talk about a charge, is that AND? Isn't it all "ooh"? taking care of one by one So if there is no problem with that, the court will say that there is no problem and the investigation process will clear him of the charges. I think it's okay if you explain that justification enough.
And if we talk about this in the consultation process, the Democratic Party can and must accept it, right?

However, he is trying not to hold a special prosecutor's office in the first place to criticize without saying such a thing. And isn't it the avoidance of responsibility that does not try to solve the problem of allegations related to emergency martial law and civil war as soon as possible? That's what I think.

[Anchor]
Isn't the power of the people the only opposition? But there was also a story that we didn't talk about ourselves. Is there a possibility that it'll come out?

[Jang Yechan]
It was discussed at the general meeting yesterday and he was assigned to the leadership. Looking at the current atmosphere of media reports, it seems highly likely that the people's power itself will announce a proposal to propose a special prosecutor related to self-examination and martial law. Compared to the Democratic Party of Korea's special prosecutor, the scope of the investigation and the duration of the investigation have been reduced. I think that the special prosecutor of the Democratic Party of Korea would only like Kim Jong-un to include loudspeakers against North Korea or handouts to North Korea about foreign exchange activities.

And the Democratic Party's censorship of Kakao Talk is quite controversial, and I think the Democratic Party needs to be restrained in this regard because the special prosecution from the Democratic Party also contains toxic provisions that can investigate all political expressions from too many ordinary people, broadcasters, and people who have nothing to do with politics. As the media reports say now, if it is true that the leadership of the People's Power will propose its own independent counsel this afternoon, I hope we will not just fight, but discuss the two options.

Because the leadership of the People's Power is also under a lot of pressure from conservative supporters and party members because of its own independent investigation. You can just oppose the special prosecution, but why are you trying to negotiate? If you come up with a deal, the so-called bilateral leadership will also come up with a deal at the risk of a political crisis. The Democratic Party of Korea does not necessarily say no. Then, we should prospectively consider whether it will only drag on each other's time in the end. First of all, I think we can infer the political situation after seeing the announcement of the People's Power leadership after this afternoon.

[Anchor]
We'll see what kind of card the people's power will show. This has been two current affairs critics, Jang Ye-chan and Kim Sang-il. Thank you.



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